return to bench?

[fullor30]

Had GV yesterday with one of top teams in state, who were crushing home opponent. I call shooting foul as buzzer sounds to end third. With no time on clock we shoo girls off blocks and they return to their respective benches as shooter lines up. Home assistant tells me it's against the rules, that players have to be on the court, cannot go to huddle. ???? (I know, assistant coach, but down by twenty five, getting azzes kicked and he's not too chippy, I let it pass). He seemed so sure of himself that I gave it some thought, but never heard this one.

I believe you're not allowed to leave court after second quarter ends for halftime until shots are taken which he may have been thinking. I perused case book and couldn't find.

What say you?

[26 Year Gap]

They cannot be below the FT line extended. I thought the new rule was to prevent the team from leaving the court i.e. at halftime prior to the other team being able to leave, thus giving them a time advantage.

[sseltser]

It's just like any other free throw where the ball will be dead following the final throw.

Both teams need 5 players on the court.
No one lined up in the spaces.
Players not in a space are to be behind 3pt line and FT line ext.
Bench personnel are to remain seated.

Other than those restrictions, it's fair game.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Had GV yesterday with one of top teams in state, who were crushing home opponent. I call shooting foul as buzzer sounds to end third. With no time on clock we shoo girls off blocks and they return to their respective benches as shooter lines up. Home assistant tells me it's against the rules, that players have to be on the court, cannot go to huddle. ???? (I know, assistant coach, but down by twenty five, getting azzes kicked and he's not too chippy, I let it pass). He seemed so sure of himself that I gave it some thought, but never heard this one.

I believe you're not allowed to leave court after second quarter ends for halftime until shots are taken which he may have been thinking. I perused case book and couldn't find.

What say you?

They do have to be on the court. Nothing says they can't huddle.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by eyezen

They do have to be on the court. Nothing says they can't huddle.

Rule please.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Rule please.

NFHS rule 8-1-5.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 8-1-5.

It still seems vague to me, they were behind FTL extended and outside arc. Would they not be allowed to go to respective benches. I guess you could argue that since a player is shooting it puts that team in a disadvantage as player misses a few words from coach during break.

There is still 'play' on the court, so players must remain? Just seeking more clarification on this and rationale.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It still seems vague to me, they were behind FTL extended and outside arc. Would they not be allowed to go to respective benches. I guess you could argue that since a player is shooting it puts that team in a disadvantage as player misses a few words from coach during break.

There is still 'play' on the court, so players must remain? Just seeking more clarification on this and rationale.

It's just like the FTs for a T or an IP. Players must remain on the court, but can be in the bench area (as long as they are above the FT line and beyonsd the 3-point line). Other bench personnel may not (by rule) stand.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It still seems vague to me, they were behind FTL extended and outside arc. Would they not be allowed to go to respective benches. I guess you could argue that since a player is shooting it puts that team in a disadvantage as player misses a few words from coach during break.

There is still 'play' on the court, so players must remain? Just seeking more clarification on this and rationale.

See p.69 Comments on the 2010-11 Rules Revisions

Players and team members required to remain on the court/in the bench area while the game is in progress

3rd and 4th sentences . . . In addition, a similar rule will be added requiring team members to remain on the court and in the bench area while the game is in progress until each quarter or extra period has officially ended. This includes free-throws attempts by an opponent with no time remaining on the clock.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by eyezen

They do have to be on the court. Nothing says they can't huddle.

Only those who are permitted to stand can huddle.

Players on the floor.
HC in the box (if allowed).
Bench personnel on the bench.

This is not a timeout.
This is not an intermission.

No other restrictions apply.

[fullor30]

Forgot this was a point POE this year which spells it out pretty clearly. Not fun having a coach tell you it was a POE during game. Good guy, saw him over weekend and we discussed. Have his team this week for a state tournament game.

PLAYERS AND TEAM MEMBERS REQUIRED TO REMAIN ON THE COURT/IN THE BENCH AREA WHILE THE GAME IS IN PROGRESS (10-3-6i; 10-5-5): A player leaving the court for an unauthorized reason to demonstrate resentment, disgust or intimidation will be added to the list of unsporting behaviors by a player with a technical foul penalty assessed. The committee hopes this rules change will further reduce the likelihood of individual players demonstrating unsporting behavior. In addition, a similar rule will be added requiring team members to remain on the court and in the bench area while the game is in progress until each quarter or extra period has officially ended. This includes free-throw attempts by an opponent with no time remaining on the clock. Since the Head Coach is ultimately responsible for the conduct of all team members, the penalty will be a technical foul assessed directly to the Head Coach.

[Adam]

There is nothing in the rule that requires the player to be in the bench area during these free throws. On the court, yes, but not in the bench area. This POE is slightly misleading on this for those who don't understand the situation for which it is written.

It seems to me it was written to address coaches heading to the locker room when there are still FTs to be shot prior to half time. I'm not sure it was written to prevent B1 from stepping OOB to get a drink of water before the quarter break.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There is nothing in the rule that requires the player to be in the bench area during these free throws. On the court, yes, but not in the bench area. This POE is slightly misleading on this for those who don't understand the situation for which it is written.

It seems to me it was written to address coaches heading to the locker room when there are still FTs to be shot prior to half time. I'm not sure it was written to prevent B1 from stepping OOB to get a drink of water before the quarter break.

Snaqs.....

Wording with slash implies on court and can be in bench area. I agree, wording can be misconstrued.

That said, I'll never kick this one.