End of game ejection
 

Final horn sounds, H35 leaps off bench and starts to celebrate first win of their season. He leaps and bounds across the court and bumps into V5. My partner steps in between the two to separate them, they exchange words that I do not hear and then they step up to each other with fists clenched. At this point, I blow my whistle and announce the ejection of the two players. Coaches are at each respective player and have pulled them to their bench area. As we sort out the issues, the AD from the V comes up and starts to plead her case to exercise discretion regarding the report to be filed. My question or doubt is if the response by my partner, (should have talked about it and then file an incident report, not an ejection report) or my immediate ejection of both players was warranted. My thought process was the confrontation was after the final horn, we had not left the visual confines of the court, issuing a T would carry not consequence; therefore an ejection seemed appropriate at time. Questions and feedback? Thanks.

Treat it as you would have treated it if it happened during the game. Was it flagrant, and thus an ejection? Or was it "just" a "standard" T?

We are outta there!

Just to be clear, was H35's contact of V5 accidental, or was there targeting?

Don't call it a flagrant just so there are consequences. As bob insinutated, if you would call it a standard double T in the first quarter, go with that. If you would have gone flagrant with that action 1 minute in, go ahead. Don't change the ruling just so the consequences fit your sense of fairness.

+1

Common sense and following the rules.

That's the thing, if this happens in the 1st quarter, am I ejecting. Well, hindsight, no, just a double T. However, H35 actions did not come off as incidental, more on lines of taunting. Then V5 reacted and then both squared up with closed fists. So now, I am leaning toward just a double T and if no consequences, then fine. I have to say that I reacted instead of being proactive; however, because my partner stepped in to separate, and then they continued to get closer and square up and clench fists I went with ejection.

I still would have gone with the double T. Maybe you could justify two double Ts here rather than a single Double Flagrant T.
Again, though, I wouldn't change my call simply because I wanted there to be some sort of repercussions. Call the double T and file your report to the state (even if it's only required for DQs).

The way officials RUN off the court when final horn sounds, I'm still trying to figure out why they saw this?

Best to exit opposite table...

Obviously true, but sometimes you have to run across the court to leave.

If you leave opposite the table, you might have to keep going for 25000 miles to get to the locker room. Seems like a steep price to pay. ;)

I guess...

I request that my guys dont fiddle with the ball, wait for praise, shake anybodys hand or believe the winning team when they say "nice job!"
Lets just get out of there!

Oh, I agree. You won't see me doing anything but making a bee line for the door. But I'm not going to ignore a brewing fight, either, if I practically have to trip over it to get out.

I can dig it!

Yeah, I am one of those that will hold the door open for my partner after teh game...get out. However, this game site did not provide us with this opportunity. Our bags were behind the table and the only exit is behind the table. The player jumped right up and made contact within 3 seconds. We had to address the situation then and were stuck there.

I can dig that too. Guess I should thank my lucky stars that I dont have to work under those conditions! Sounds like a fire hazzard :D

What level ball was this? Bags behind the table tells me middle school. But the presence of the visitors' AD indicates high school.

This HS. The schools don't provide locked rooms to change in and keep bags. Most of the time, officials here come dressed for HS. I still bring my change in a bag and hope that there is a clean place to change. Back in AZ, it was expected to have a secure room to change in and be able to get there immediately after horn. Out here in SF, different story.

Wow, that's just asking for trouble.

Call a few Ts for unsporting behavior after the horn and they might start giving you a locker room.

Not to take the conversation off point, but I've had several different experiences as far as leaving the court is concerned.

For freshman games, most of the time we'll have two with limited time in between games, so we're all but forced to stay on the floor in between. Halftimes are usually 5-7 minutes and we're in the back gym, far from the locker room, so we don't bother taking our jackets back there at halftime. That, of course, means we have to go back to the table to grab the jackets after the last game.

For sophomore games, we take the more traditional approach. I really do prefer this, especially in a close game.

One assignor I work for handles I think 5 conferences, and this only happens at his games: After the game, my partner will grab the ball, and we wait at halfcourt for the teams to finish their handshakes, then they'll come over and fist bump us. It doesn't happen all the time, but I'd rather get out of there!

Personally, I would find the time to move your jackets (or have someone do it for you). If it's at all avoidable, I do not want to go to the table after the game is over. It's just asking for troube.

Believe me, I'd love to be able to do that for these freshman games, but often times any game administration people that have keys to the locker room are watching the action in the main gym, leaving students or an adult without keys at the table.

Wow. Unbelievable.

Now that I think about it, they usually have a radio to be able to call a trainer in case of injury. I'll have to start getting a hold of keys via the radio

Makes me appreciate my association even more. That wouldn't fly, here.

We live the life in the back gyms, man...makes me really appreciate getting to work in the main gym, even if it is a 50 point girls sophomore game.

If you were in MA, then.....

Just a thought. Have you thought about not wearing a jacket for those games? Might solve the problem, but that depends on your Associations view of such action

Good point, I think it's a more than reasonable compromise to make if the school isn't providing adequate facilities and assistance.

Definitely a thought...the perception I've gotten, though, from working around my area is that we should wear jackets all the time.

To me, proper treatment by the site management is more important than wearing jackets. But again, our association would quickly deal with the school if we found that getting keys to the locker room was difficult.

Due West ...
 

Is Pacifica, CA anywhere near Massachusetts?

No, just near SF.

Rome, Iowa
 

Very similar here on jackets, but I hadn't really thought of it as part of an exit strategy before. Most of the time we don't leave between games. Depending on the gym, we might go at half - but some of the auxiliary gyms are a hike.

Nobody wears a jacket for JV or lower, but I always figured it was because we were cheap -- not because we were worried about dealing with it.

Across the Bay...
 

... its a different story. I would force the issue. Schools need to provide.
When I hit the floor I'm finding who my site administrator is, and who has keys to get us back in.

We are in and out at halftime and out at the end of the game. That is the protocol. If we need to train the schools, then so be it.

Things must have changed. We went to the room at half-time, every time. I wore a jacket about 75% of the time in JV games when in DM.