During high school varsity pre-game warm-up, can coach A be assessed a technical for disputing calls which occurred in the previous JV game? And if assessed a technical foul, does this restrict Team A coaching staff to the bench for the varsity game? I say yes to both.

If referenced in rule/case book, please give rule/case #.

Thanks

No matter what the coach is showing his a$$ about, he can most certainly be assessed a T prior to the opening jump ball. The officials assume jurisdiction when they take the floor, 15 minutes prior to the game. if the caoch gets a T during this period of time, yes, he loses use of the coaching box.

Loss of Coaching Box
 

BktBallRef is most certainly correct...is he ever wrong? :)

Check out Case Book 10.5 SITUATION J
Ruling:..."Whenever the coach has been charged (directly or indirectly) with a technical foul, he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. The rule is in effect any time the coach personally commits the infraction directly or when it is charged indirectly because of illegal acts or unsporting conduct by bench personnel."

Also check out Rule 10-5
Coaches'Rule, under PENALTY:..."When the coaching box is being utilized, then the first technical foul charged directly or indirectly to the head coach results in loss of the coaching-box privileges and the coach shall comply with the provisions of Articles 1 and 2" (...remain seated on the bench at all times...with exceptions) "for the remainder of the game."

RD

Let me add a question to this post.
If the varsity coach receives a T during the JV game does it then seatbelt him for the varsity contest?

Follow-up:
If the varsity coach is ejected from the JV game can he coach the ensuing varsity game?

Coaches' Ejections
 

1. No

2. Yes

RD

No, it only applies in the game that the T occurred.

That depends. In NC, if a coach is ejected, he is suspended from being involved in any games until he has sat out two games at that level. So, a varsity coach ejected during a JV game would be forced to leave the building or at least the confines of the gym for the varsity game.

So while NFHS rules don't cover this, your state association may.

I believe the same goes in Illinois. An ejection is an automatic suspension of the next scheduled game for that level and cannot participate in any coaching capacity at any other level till that has been served.

If coach A is b1tching about the JV game slap his @ss with a
T. As has been said, any pregame T's earn the coaching
staff a seatbelt.

According to the IHSA
 

Or if 10 days have past. Which every comes first.

Peace

Coach Ejected
 

We had a Varsity Coach ejected from a JV game last year. The JV officials reported the ejection to the oncoming Varsity officials.
It was decided that the Varsity coach could indeed participate in his "level" game because, as the rules state (WA), the coach must sit out two games at the level in which he was ejected.
Since the Varsity level is a different level than JV it was deemed the Coach could participate.
We discussed this at our association meeting and the assigning secretary said the correct procedure was followed.

However, a post stated on this forum has got me wondering if we applied the rules correctly.
One post suggested the Coach leave the building for the entire night, to include the Varsity contest.
One post suggested the Varsity Coach that was ejected must "serve" his two game suspension before he could coach a Varsity contest.
One post went on to say two game suspension served or 10 days, whichever comes first.
These are interesting applications or interpretations of the rules.
My questions:
What is the correct procedure for Washington State?
Can an association come up with its own interpretation of the ejection rule as we did? i.e. Allowed the ejected Coach to coach in his Varsity contest.

DI

Re: Coach Ejected
 

I don't think they are interesting applications or interps, just state by-laws.

Here in OH it is for the remainder of the day and 2 games <i> at that level </i>. So, he would be done for that game, and all games until 2 JV games pass. So, if this happens during a JV or Frosh game, and they do not have 2 games to play at that level for 2 weeks, then he is out for that length of time. He may miss 3 or 4 Varsity games, since that is a different level.

Re: Re: Coach Ejected
 

Interesting....but I think you are wrong...unless you have some Washington State references to back up your apparent knowledge of this States "by-laws".

RD

Hehehehe
 

Some of you guys make up some of the most interesting rulings.

And I thought baseball umpires were the worst.

Re: Coach Ejected
 

Dan, the correct procedure for Washington is exactly what was done...according to the WIAA, the ejection punishment only applies to the "level" it happened at...in other words, the state looks at it this way - during the JV game, the Varsity coach is the Assisstant coach, and if ejected, will sit out the next JV game...he/she may still coach the Varsity game that night, the next night, etc...the same is true for the JV coach - if ejected from the JV game, he/she may still sit as the assisstant for the varsity game that SAME NIGHT!!

To answer your second question, no, an Assoc. can not make up it's own interpretations, and there are several around the state who - in the past - have lost State Tournament berths for trying to make up their own...it sounds like someone there at least had an idea of what the State policy was and handled the situation correctly...

Thanks
 

Thanks Rockyroad,
I appreciate your interpretation....whoops...knowledge of our WA state by-laws.;)
DI
Just up the river from you in the Tri-Cities...was over your way this summer when my boys raced MX at Washougal, WA.

No problem Dan...we have had the same situation here in our area several times - not surprisingly, all with the same school...both coaches are howlers...

Hehehe
 

SEE EDITING BELOW:

And the "Washington" guys nail another.

That is the EXACT interpretation that I got when I called SEVEN states (Including NC, IN and IL) today.

"At the level" to most states means that if a Varsity Coach was ejected from a JV game he could not be on the bench of the JV game for the length of the punishment. That coach would certainly be allowed to coach the varsity game.

EditEditEditEditEditEditEditEditEditEditEditEditEd it

This thread bothered me so much I made a trip back to my office TONIGHT to check my notes:

I apologize to Tony. I DID NOT talk to North Carolina, that is on my list of unretruned calls. I trust that he will forgive my thoughtless comments.

I also made four more calls to guys I once worked basketball with in three additonal states and found ANOTHER interesting fact:

One of these states has NO penalty (i.e. a coach is tossed and serves no additional penalty) and one state (as stated above) will not allow ANY coach (football, basketball, baseball, soccer, etc.) to attend any further games that day (night). And another state goes by the "same level" type ruling.

Another state "fines" coaches (schools) for ejections.

Again, I am sorry for my mis-information.

I still will practice being a trouble maker however.

[Edited by Tim C on Nov 4th, 2002 at 09:42 PM]

Re: Hehehe
 

Do you have a reputation as a troublemaker on the baseball board? :(

Dear sir, I don't make up interesting rulings. The following statement is directly from the NCHSAA Ejection Policy.

"Anytime a student/coach is ejected from a game/meet, <B>he/she does not participate/coach the remainder of the day."</B>

If you did indeed call the NCHSAA, I would be interested to know who you spoke with and what number you dialed. But I doubt very seriously that you made any calls whatsoever.

Ahemm,
 

Please refer to my edited post and apology listed above.

[Edited by Tim C on Nov 4th, 2002 at 09:33 PM]

Thank you, sir. Apology accepted.

Just to clarify my original statement, so there are no misunderstandings, the coach would not be able to coach the varsity game on the same evening. From there, he would be suspended, barred from even being in the building during the next two JV games. He would be allowed to coach during any varsity contests that were played while serving the JV suspension.

BTW, the folks at the NCHSAA office were quite busy on Monday, regarding enrollment figures that will affect the upcoming football playoffs. The numbers have been dealyed for several weeks, so I'm quite sure they were busy, fielding a lot of questions concerning this issue.

Re: Re: Re: Coach Ejected
 

What is wrong? I did not say I knew what WA did, I clearly advised what OH did. Someone said these were interesting inteprs, like people were making them up. Since no rule books cover this stuff, it is up to the states, and I trust an believe what the guys on this board say their states do. I find it interesting the differences from around the country.
I should have also noted that in OH a 2nd ejection of a coach or player during a season results in disqualification for the year from all sports.

Just for the record, anyone who pursues knowing the details for their state, might also want to ask what would happen if a coach was ejected from a game at which he was spectating.

We had a situation here in Oregon where a varsity coach was sitting in the stands during the JV game, ref made a call that coach didn't like, coach got heated and started yelling a lot, ref tossed him, then said that since the coach had to remain out of the gym for the rest of the night, he couldn't coach the varsity game. There are a number of questions about the incident but the relevant one is, was the ref right about the all-night extension of the ejection? The coach didin't think so, called the commissioner (on a cell phone from the parking lot!) and the commissioner spoke with the ref, who was not doing the varsity game anyway, and let the coach do the var.

Unfortunately, it made the paper the next day.

Since the coach was not on the bench I dont see how he can
be kept from working his own game. Unless there's some
general ethics violation involved. But these aren't covered
by the fed rules, imo.

I, personally, think this is up to the host management.

I would view this as a case of a fan getting the boot. If the host managers want to let him back in, who am I to get in the way? The coach was not partaking in his official duties when ejected, so you apply a different standard. Now, I would hope the host school would apply the same rules to him as they would the leather lung dad who gets the gate, but it is not up to us to enforce or lose sleep over. This situation is not the place for the officials or a commish. It is up to the host school and the fan. If the fan happens to be the coach...

I tried to get Brian's comments into here, but something is very weird.

But Brian is right, of course, the coach called the commish to get the commish to call off the ref. I will only say, in viewing the collateral damage, I'm glad I wasn't the ref that did this!!