Is there a frickin' full moon?

[stir22]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I thought we were just talking about fans, too. That said...



I like this wording. It may put a coach on the defensive a bit, but I find it to be a fair warning.

Besides, when it comes right down to it, "Call it both ways" is an order. We should never take orders.

so...what do you guys/gals say/do when a hc says that to you? anything? its happened to me twice in the last two weeks...both times after the game had BARELY started.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stir22

so...what do you guys/gals say/do when a hc says that to you? anything? its happened to me twice in the last two weeks...both times after the game had BARELY started.....

Options:
1. Ignore.
2. Explain the implications of what he's saying, and warn.
3. Whack

That quick, I'd be tempted to ask him for some time to make some mistakes before he starts jumping on my back.

More likely, I'd either go with #2, but it's going to take an extra second to do it right. I honestly think it's a throw-away line for some of these lower level coaches; they have no idea what it means.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I honestly think it's a throw-away line for some of these lower level coaches; they have no idea what it means.

And I think that whacking 'em immediately teaches them in a heckuva hurry what it does mean.

I'm big on life lessons.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm big on life lessons.

I'm still getting used to the kindlier gentlier JR. Always thinking of others.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Options:
1. Ignore.
2. Explain the implications of what he's saying, and warn.
3. Whack

That quick, I'd be tempted to ask him for some time to make some mistakes before he starts jumping on my back.

More likely, I'd either go with #2, but it's going to take an extra second to do it right. I honestly think it's a throw-away line for some of these lower level coaches; they have no idea what it means.

I usually go with #1 and sometimes #2. Usually if the coach gets to the point where I would get to #3 there are other mitigating circumstances.
I may be in the minority, but to me it is just a throw away line. I have a hard time justifying a T when we call a foul/violation (3 seconds and illegal screens particularly) and the coach says "Call it both ways." I put that in the same category as "They are doing the same thing down there."

[bainsey]

Okay, in spirit, I agree with JR.

Still, I'm not entirely sure "Call it both ways!" is questioning my integrity, but it's still an order (unlike the declarative sentence "They are doing the same thing down there"), and I don't like orders, unless they come from my boss or a customer. To me, phrasing is important.

But, that's me. Some others see it differently. I heard "CIBW" from a coach some time ago while I was in transition from L to T, but was pretty hard to go with Snaq's #2 at that moment. Had I gone with #3, I'm sure I would have heard that she's NEVER been T'd up for that before, and it probably would have been true, as evident by the varying views here on this sentence. (I went with #1 that time. I had to shut down that coach later.)

Since it means different things to different people, perhaps #2 is the best way to go. Coaches don't know your limits until they know you, and I think we vary too much on this issue to go with an immediate whack, no matter how much it bothers us.

[stir22]

thanks for the responses; still relatively new (end of 3rd year), and learning where the (and my own personal) line is set. my first year i had two instances of coaches going nuts on the sideline, and, quite frankly, didn't know what to do, so i did nothing. Now, having almost 3 full years under my belt i would whack them in a heartbeat for that behavior. i just like to envision as many scenarios in my head before the games, in case they come up.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, in spirit, I agree with JR.

Still, I'm not entirely sure "Call it both ways!" is questioning my integrity, but it's still an order (unlike the declarative sentence "They are doing the same thing down there"), and I don't like orders, unless they come from my boss or a customer. To me, phrasing is important.

But, that's me. Some others see it differently. I heard "CIBW" from a coach some time ago while I was in transition from L to T, but was pretty hard to go with Snaq's #2 at that moment. Had I gone with #3, I'm sure I would have heard that she's NEVER been T'd up for that before, and it probably would have been true, as evident by the varying views here on this sentence. (I went with #1 that time. I had to shut down that coach later.)

Since it means different things to different people, perhaps #2 is the best way to go. Coaches don't know your limits until they know you, and I think we vary too much on this issue to go with an immediate whack, no matter how much it bothers us.

Pretty sure Snaq is talking about a progression, not 3 options.

You might ignore it the first time but the second time deserves a stop sign. "Coach, I've heard enough." If he does it again, WHACK!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Pretty sure Snaq is talking about a progression, not 3 options.

You might ignore it the first time but the second time deserves a stop sign. "Coach, I've heard enough." If he does it again, WHACK!

That's how I approach it, but for some these are options. Woddy goes straight to the T. Others never hear it out of some stupid fear of being labeled "rabbit ears."

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Others never hear it out of some stupid fear of being labeled "rabbit ears."

Yep, I noticed but just left it alone. "Rabbit ears" is to coaches as "over the back" is to TV announcers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stir22

so...what do you guys/gals say/do when a hc says that to you? anything? its happened to me twice in the last two weeks...both times after the game had BARELY started.....

Automatic "T" with no warning anytime any coach or player questions my integrity. I'll let you question my judgment if you do it properly. Integrity? Never!