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RobbyinTN Wed Feb 02, 2011 09:44am

I would guess the firing due to being ejected from a game would be more along the lines of his personal conduct (outbursts, etc) than an indirect T followed by a direct T (or vice versa). Either way I would think the possibility of being ejecte dand thus fired would cause most coaches to stay calm - at least while on the sidelines of a game

bainsey Wed Feb 02, 2011 09:54am

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 724948)
We have one school system that has a very SEVERE ejection policy for the coaches. You get ejected, you lose your job. Not just your coaching job but YOUR JOB!!!

I assume that only applies if the coach works for the school district. There's no way you could enforce that if he works for a private business.

In which state is this, Jud?

RobbyinTN Wed Feb 02, 2011 09:57am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 725112)
I assume that only applies if the coach works for the school district. There's no way you could enforce that if he works for a private business.

In which state is this, Jud?

I would say that if he coached at a private school, especially a Christian school, that it would be possible.

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:54am

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Originally Posted by RobbyinTN (Post 725116)
I would say that if he coached at a private school, especially a Christian school, that it would be possible.

Bainsey is talking about coaches who work "day jobs" outside of the school and coach in the evenings. Clearly outside of the school's jurisdiction and not what this particular school policy refers to. Bainsey is either confused or facetious.

26 Year Gap Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:58am

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 724971)
Wow you as an official have the power to send a coach and his family into potential poverty.
Has anyone actually lost their job because of this?

So, 3 pre-game dunks can get rid of a guy?

bainsey Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725135)
Bainsey is either confused or facetious.

More like astonished. Of course, I was only talking about scholastic employment.

Still, Robby makes a fair point about private schools, which don't typically fall within the realm of "school district." (Yes, there are private schools which municipalities send their kids, but I digress.) Private schools could hold such coaches accountable, but to the degree of termination? It doesn't sound like the punishment fits the crime.

I'd like to think a hearing would be in place first, instead of a hard, fast rule where ejection leads to dismissal.

BillyMac Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:25pm

Just Like The Loch Ness Monster ...
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 725140)
So, 3 pre-game dunks can get rid of a guy?

I've heard myths about kids, dissatisfied with their coach, actually doing this.

JRutledge Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:31pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 725112)
I assume that only applies if the coach works for the school district. There's no way you could enforce that if he works for a private business.

In which state is this, Jud?

Even though I have never heard of such a policy for coaches, but I am aware of some rules that applies to players. In my area many coaches cannot coach at a public school without working in that school as an employee or in the district somewhere. We have had many coaches that retired from their school job, then had to resign from their coaching position for the reasons I just stated. That might be the case here.

Peace

Camron Rust Wed Feb 02, 2011 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 725177)
I've heard myths about kids, dissatisfied with their coach, actually doing this.

Not a myth...it happened here a few years back...not a the varsity level, however.

Judtech Wed Feb 02, 2011 01:43pm

The State is Virginia and it is a policy only at this school system. I also, don't think they allow persons to coach who are not teachers at the school. I am not sure about administrators, I know some districts don't allow AD's Ast Principals etc to coach teams.
The story I heard was that MANY years ago the school had a nasty reputation for their coaches behavior and this was the only solution that worked.
Again, I have never had a problem (other then the hurdle) with any of the boys or girls coaches and don't think too many other officials have either. PLUS they give us a pizza drinks and all the left over popcorn to us after the game!:D

Adam Wed Feb 02, 2011 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 725097)
Yeah, especially this part. Simply ludicrous. It would be MORE believeable if it was in the 4th quarter...but even THEN cant see an AC EVER doing something like this:eek:

I've got a pretty wild imagination.

OnePutt Thu Feb 03, 2011 09:06am

Update to OP: The offending coach/player may have his fine reduced to $100 by taking a sportsmanship "course" online. Interesting note is the rule is working. But while coaches/players are better behaved, officials are now less likely to give that second T even if warranted.

Adam Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:27am

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Originally Posted by OnePutt (Post 725615)
Update to OP: The offending coach/player may have his fine reduced to $100 by taking a sportsmanship "course" online. Interesting note is the rule is working. But while coaches/players are better behaved, officials are now less likely to give that second T even if warranted.

Is this a rec league? I can't imagine players getting fined for ejections. Coaches, sure, but players?

OnePutt Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:11pm

No. It is the State HS Athletic Assn. Changed directors a few years ago. This guy was a well-respected coach/administrator and a strict disciplinarian. He sees the bigger picture of how disrespecting the authority of even a (lowly) game official teaches the kids the wrong thing. :D

Refsmitty Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:31pm

+1
 
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Originally Posted by jurassic referee (Post 725056)
that's their rule. We're supposed to follow our rules. And while doing so, we're supposed to penalize unsporting conduct.

That policy should have absolutely no affect on how a game is called by the officials.



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