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BillyMac Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:15pm
"And the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders." ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726416)
Tell it to the judge.
Do you think they would use those traffic cameras along the highway as evidence, like they always do on Law and Order?

bisonpitcher Sat Feb 05, 2011 07:44pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 726405)
For high school varsity games, never. Schools will seldom schedule the boys/girls varsity doubleheaders that I see other Forum members posting about. Also, when these rare doubleheaders are scheduled, or when high school Holiday Tournament varsity doubleheaders are scheduled, different crews get the assignments.

The most common type of doubleheaders assigned are 4:00 p.m. freshman games followed by 5:30 p.m. junior varsity games. One, or both, of the freshman officials may stay at the site for the junior varsity assignment. This is because we do not have a lot of available officials for midafternoon games. Most of them have day jobs, and can't make the 4:00 p.m. start. When our officials do work said doubleheader, they get two full game fees. (Two subvarsity fees, $57.25 + $57.25 = $114.50)

When I work for my Catholic middle school assigner, he will cut the rate for a boys/girls varsity (eighth grade) doubleheader, which are almost always assigned as a doubleheader. For example, I have one of these varsity (seven minute periods) doubleheaders tonight. I will walk out with a check for $84.00. One of our Catholic schools does not field a girls varsity team. We will work a single boys varsity game when that school is involved in an assignment, and will walk out of those games with a check for $54.00.

All HS games are DH here. Actually 4 games, JV B/G with one crew, V G/B with another crew. One conference plays at 3:30, 4:45, 6:00 and 7:30, while the other conference plays at 4:00, 5:15, 6:30 and 8. Freshman teams usually play the same team on the road when V/JV are at home on the same day. Middle schools play 4 games starting at 4:30 and Middle school JV plays on Saturdays 2-3 games per Saturday (5 games for the officials at 8 Saturday Morning).

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Feb 05, 2011 07:50pm
In our league we schedule doubleheaders.One crew does JV boys and girls while the other varsity boys and girls.Our tip off times are 3,4:30,6,and 7:30.Middle school basketball here is a spring sport so the teams get to use the gym for practice too!

just another ref Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:09pm
Had makeup games tonight because schools were closed for icy road yesterday.
This school had also had home games on Tuesday. The principal made a point of telling me how much he appreciated us sticking it out during the stoppage. He went on to say he had voted against the pay raise at the last meeting, but he now intended to vote for it when it comes up again in the summer.

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 06, 2011 07:57am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726600)
Had makeup games tonight because schools were closed for icy road yesterday.
This school had also had home games on Tuesday. The principal made a point of telling me how much he appreciated us sticking it out during the stoppage. He went on to say he had voted against the pay raise at the last meeting, but he now intended to vote for it when it comes up again in the summer.
I bet you really got that warm and fuzzy feeling when the principal told you how much he appreciated you screwing your fellow officials. It's just great that you're keeping all of those principals in your area so damn happy.

You really do have one helluva lot of conversations with principals, ADs and coaches, don't you, JAR? :rolleyes:

Gee, you don't think that there might be a chance that that principal might now be voting for a pay raise because of the stoppage? Because some LA officials had the balls to say "enough is enough"? Naw, that couldn't be it, could it. It's probably because he personally likes you so damn much.

Did you also tell that principal that your association plans to decline any future pay raises that are gained in such a despicable manner? Just wondering. You guys do have the conviction of your principles, don't you?

just another ref Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 726684)
I bet you really got that warm and fuzzy feeling when the principal told you how much he appreciated you screwing your fellow officials. It's just great that you're keeping all of those principals in your area so damn happy.
Principal and I were on the same page that when an agreement is in place to work for a certain price for a certain period that it should be honored. Apparently you don't understand/want to understand that idea.

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You really do have one helluva lot of conversations with principals, ADs and coaches, don't you, JAR? :rolleyes:
We're all just people. Communication is the key to a lot of things. One of the common criticisms of officials is that they are aloof and unreachable. You, on the other hand, are aloof and unreachable even to other officials here when we dare to disagree with you. :rolleyes:

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Gee, you don't think that there might be a chance that that principal might now be voting for a pay raise because of the stoppage?
Now you're calling a man a liar that you never met and have no idea who he is. Very nice.


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Because some LA officials had the balls to say "enough is enough"?
The balls to say enough is enough, the balls to ignore an agreement which was signed with the other side........... po-tay-toe......po-tah-toe


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Did you also tell that principal that your association plans to decline any future pay raises that are gained in such a despicable manner?
We have done nothing despicable. I, personally, do not believe the despicable actions of others to which you refer will gain us anything. I hope that the opposite is not the case.

Freddy Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:26pm
Won't You Be My Neighbor
 
"All we are sa-a-a-y-y-ying.......... is give peace a chance........"

just another ref Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 726753)
"All we are sa-a-a-y-y-ying.......... is give peace a chance........"
JR's knowledge of the rules is unquestioned. The strength of his convictions is admirable. His delivery could use some work.

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:07pm
Ever consider changing your screen name to just another principal?

Raymond Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:17pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726600)
Had makeup games tonight because schools were closed for icy road yesterday.
This school had also had home games on Tuesday. The principal made a point of telling me how much he appreciated us sticking it out during the stoppage. He went on to say he had voted against the pay raise at the last meeting, but he now intended to vote for it when it comes up again in the summer.
Is there a point that I am missing here?

APG Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:22pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726600)
Had makeup games tonight because schools were closed for icy road yesterday.
This school had also had home games on Tuesday. The principal made a point of telling me how much he appreciated us sticking it out during the stoppage. He went on to say he had voted against the pay raise at the last meeting, but he now intended to vote for it when it comes up again in the summer.
Reading this, it seems to me that the walk out helped change the principal's mind. At the very least it could of brought to light how unhappy some officials are about the embarrassingly low pay they receive.

But seeing as how it was only 4 of the local chapters, and given your state association's track record, I'd bet a pay raise isn't coming soon.

just another ref Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:33pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 726272)
1. If a pay raise is accepted, the guys who didn't sit out can thank the ones who did.

2. If a pay raise is not accepted, the guys who sat out can thank the ones who didn't.
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 726776)
Is there a point that I am missing here?
This was the point. Snaq's (and others) thought that the walkout would cause principals to vote for the pay raise. This guy said that the opposite was the case. Was he lying in my face for some other reason?

just another ref Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:34pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726760)
JR's knowledge of the rules is unquestioned. The strength of his convictions is admirable. His delivery could use some work.
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 726773)
Ever consider changing your screen name to just another principal?

good example

just another ref Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:42pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 726778)
Reading this, it seems to me that the walk out helped change the principal's mind. At the very least it could of brought to light how unhappy some officials are about the embarrassingly low pay they receive.

But seeing as how it was only 4 of the local chapters, and given your state association's track record, I'd bet a pay raise isn't coming soon.
I wouldn't bet the farm on it either way. The question I have is, whether the raise is approved or not, when it comes time to sign the contracts, what if some associations agree to sign and others don't?

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 06, 2011 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 726781)
This was the point. Snaq's (and others) thought that the walkout would cause principals to vote for the pay raise. This guy said that the opposite was the case. Was he lying in my face for some other reason?
Naw, he was just petting you, rubbing your ears, patting your tummy and saying "good doggie". And by golly, it worked, didn't it?.


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