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fullor30 Thu Feb 03, 2011 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 725757)

By the way, the average price of gas 21 years ago was 1.16!

Begs the question, what has our brotherhood in LA. been doing over the last 21 years to get miniscule pay increases?

"you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"

"price is what you pay, value is what you get"

Adam Thu Feb 03, 2011 03:45pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 725836)
By the way, the avgerage price of gas 21 years ago was 1.16!

Begs the question, what has our brotherhood in LA. been doing over the last 21 years to get miniscule pay increases?

Easy, when they try to stand up and get paid more, some other official from the next town comes over to fill the gap.

Jurassic Referee Thu Feb 03, 2011 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725839)
Easy, when they try to stand up and get paid more, some other official from the next town comes over to fill the gap.

Or some person from 150 miles away.......:D

bainsey Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:26pm

Not sure if this was posted. It was just sent to me...

WAFB Story

Camron Rust Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:30pm

Just remember, were talking about a place that knowingly built a major town below sealevel (the only one in the US). Then a strom rolls through and nearly wipes them out, they blame their troubles on an unpopular president, and then they want to rebuild back in the same spot....on YOUR dime...so it can happen all over again. Doesn't sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 725865)
Just remember, were talking about a place that knowingly built a major town below sealevel (the only one in the US). Then a strom rolls through and nearly wipes them out, they blame their troubles on an unpopular president, and then they want to rebuild back in the same spot....on YOUR dime...so it can happen all over again. Doesn't sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Was it Earl?

jTheUmp Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:36pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 725865)
Just remember, were talking about a place that knowingly built a major town below sealevel (the only one in the US). Then a strom rolls through and nearly wipes them out, they blame their troubles on an unpopular president, and then they want to rebuild back in the same spot....on YOUR dime...so it can happen all over again. Doesn't sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And this has to do with basketball officials pay because.... why?

fullor30 Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 725872)
And this has to do with basketball officials pay because.... why?

Because the thought process from all involved seems murky at best.

Berkut Thu Feb 03, 2011 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 725376)
The time to bring that up would have been at the start of the year, or whenever the agreement which covers this year was reached, not now. JMO

That sounds pretty good in theory, but I think the time when you have actual leverage (for better or worse) is in season.

Johnny Ringo Thu Feb 03, 2011 05:00pm

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Adam Thu Feb 03, 2011 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 725889)
That sounds pretty good in theory, but I think the time when you have actual leverage (for better or worse) is in season.

And the fact is (from what I read) that the principals only voted it down last week.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 03, 2011 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 725891)

Like I told a kid I teed up for slamming the backboard after he claimed he was going for the ball, "You were late to the party.":D

Jurassic Referee Thu Feb 03, 2011 05:43pm

Know what I found unbelievable? The direct quote on a possible pay raise from Kenneth Henderson, the LHSSAA rep... "Every game we miss, your chances go down." That's nothing but a direct intimidation tactic imo. And why not? They've been getting away with it for at least the last 17 years.

Time for the LA guys to throw the tea in the harbor.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 03, 2011 06:00pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 725916)
Know what I found unbelievable? The direct quote on a possible pay raise from Kenneth Henderson, the LHSSAA rep... "Every game we miss, your chances go down." That's nothing but a direct intimidation tactic imo. And why not? They've been getting away with it for at least the last 17 years.

Time for the LA guys to throw the tea in the harbor.

I know that in VT, there were some concessions given by the officials that were temporary. The VPA, which governs interscholastic sports there, has been true to its word. Officials only charged one way mileage and there were 2 game fees split 3 ways on the V games. Those inequities were worked out, as game fees were no longer split and mileage was round trip, though car pooling was strongly encouraged.

Rates were a lot less than in NY & NH, and some officials started working more out of state games as a result if they lived near the border. [All IAABO areas]. Over time, subvarsity was increased from $30 to $45 plus 40.5 cents per mile in $5 increments. Varsity contests went from $50 to $55 to $65 to $75 with the same mileage allowance. There has been talk off and on about a flat travel fee so schools would not be shocked by mileage bills, but nothing has occurred in that area. And schools have 3 man crews on a set number of games based on classification for boys and girls. Schools at their discretion may have more if they pay for the third official.

All in all, it has worked pretty well. The officials gave to help out and the VPA kept their word about two way mileage & increased game fees.

Only one association in VT so there was no line crossing to be done. Two assignment areas.

Sounds pretty bad in LA by way of comparison. And hopefully, someone who can present a good logical position regarding inflation, expenses like uniforms, clinics, dues, gas, etc. can draw some parallels with some what ifs. Principal salaries 21 years ago were x. Now they are y. What if they were x again? But it will take a united front to accomplish anything.

just another ref Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:57am

Couple of things in the Monroe Newsstar today:

Refs prepare return to play | thenewsstar.com | The News Star

Sports are about the kids | thenewsstar.com | The News Star

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The plan is for the executive committee to review and potentially tweak the original proposal, which principals around the state voted down at the annual LHSAA convention Friday, at its March 16 meeting and to have a special-called meeting June 3 for principals to reconsider.

What potential tweaking could take place is still uncertain, Henderson said.
I see this "tweak" as a potential sticking point.

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About 22 games in Monroe will have to be rescheduled because of the officials' walkout, and the girls' regular season ends next Friday. That's an unnecessary amount of chaos for student athletes, school officials, families and fans. We might suggest the officials who participated in the work stoppage make sure they step into the locker rooms of the affected teams when these 22 games are rescheduled and apologize for the inconvenience they caused — in the name of sportsmanlike conduct, of course.
I don't see this part happening.


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