Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 724392)

Swell. I'm basing my entire point on the whistling the play on the pick up, not the bats. Indeed the bats are not control, so I have nothing until the ball is picked up on this play.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 724397)

Sorry.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 724392)

Swell. I'm basing my entire point on the whistling the play on the pick up, not the bats.

Indeed the bats are not control, so I have nothing until the ball is picked up on this play.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 724339)

You can't debate the merits of the situation so you go and pull completely unrelated stuff out of the past...Intelligent, very intelligent. Keep showing your true colors.

You've yet to tell me why the two case plays I've referenced where a player NOT holding the ball is called for traveling despite your insistence that it can't be. You're the one off-base and ignoring the precedent that is in black and white in the rule/case book that considers a player to be holding the ball when they deliberately do something to circumvent the travel rule.

In the thread you're pulling that stuff from, the official in question wasn't anywhere close and they weren't unusual situations....he just totally messed up. No one has disputed that....the only issue was the behavior of the coach....which we (including me) all agree was not acceptable and deserved a T. <font color = red>My comments that the official deserved the grief he got also stand....he showed a complete lack of basic rules knowledge and made stuff up with no basis on anything.</font> It wasn't like he was taking an unusual play and extrapolating from existing rulings that were close to the same thing. Regardless of your desire to back officials blindly, it is possible for both of them to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 724402)

Sorry, but the pickup is merely the retrieval of a fumble. Perfectly legal. What precedes is irrelevant as long as player control is never re-established.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 724412)

Gee, all I did was quote you verbatim, Camron. Are you calling yourself a liar?

I'm glad that you're still so adamant also that any official who screws up some rules deserves all the abuse any coach can give him. I'm glad because I'll never have to work with someone like you.

When another official does it, he has a complete lack of rules knowledge and makes stuff up with no basis for anything. But when you do the exact same thing, you're taking an unusual play and extrapolating from existing rulings that were close to the same thing. Hey, who cares if your extrapolations go directly against existing rules? Hell, that don't make no nevermind if you're the one doing it instead of some other official, does it?


Yup, I got it. :)

Your very own words show your true colors very nicely imo, Camron.

'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 724412)

Gee, all I did was quote you verbatim, Camron. Are you calling yourself a liar?

I'm glad that you're still so adamant also that any official who screws up some rules deserves all the abuse any coach can give him. I'm glad because I'll never have to work with someone like you.

When another official does it, he has a complete lack of rules knowledge and makes stuff up with no basis for anything. But when you do the exact same thing, you're taking an unusual play and extrapolating from existing rulings that were close to the same thing. Hey, who cares if your extrapolations go directly against existing rules? Hell, that don't make no nevermind if you're the one doing it instead of some other official, does it?


Yup, I got it. :)

Your very own words show your true colors very nicely imo, Camron.

'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 724413)

I see perhaps one or two interrupted dribbles.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 724425)

If you're capable, show my why. (I'm sure you'll dodge the question again and call me some other names.)

I'm pretty sure that if I had said it was legal, you would have taken the other side just to argue.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 724428)

Interesting. Very interesting.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 724452)

I don't believe I've called you any names yet. I've just let your very own words do all the talking. You get awfully excited when all that really happened was someone quoting your exact words. :)

And I think that I'll just leave it at that. There's no need for me to discuss anything further with you. There's no upside for either of us.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 724493)

I enjoy the reference. Which one of us is Wolfgang in this analogy?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 724552)

As expected, dodge the question again. How pathetic.

All you can do is distract the discussion from your mistake by trying to knock down anyone who opposes you. Your juvenile bullying tactics might work on rookies but some people are wise enough to see through your crap.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 724591)

Just ignore the "stupid" part.