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Troward Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:02am

I am looking to clarify NFHS case book rule 4.12.6 please?

Example: A1 is the inbounds passer on the baseline in the front court of the basket he is shooting at. His pass tips off the fingers of A2 in the front court and the ball is then recovered by A3 in the backcourt.

Is this a backcourt violation?

also while on the topic, if a team calls a timeout with the ball in the back court does the back court 10 seconds seconds count start over again or pick up from where it left off?
please cite rule references if possible?

thanks again
GTW



Bart Tyson Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:13am

No violation.
restart 10 sec. count.
Also, in your example you start the 10 sec. count when the ball goes in the back court.

mj Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:18am

Bart is correct. No violation because there was no team control in the frontcourt once the ball was inbounded.

And yes the 10 second count starts over.

MJ

JRutledge Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:25am

When do you start the 10 second count?
 
When the ball goes to the backcourt? Or when the ball is touched in the backcourt?

Peace

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:40am

Quote:

Originally posted by Troward
also while on the topic, if a team calls a timeout with the ball in the back court does the back court 10 seconds seconds count start over again or pick up from where it left off?
please cite rule references if possible?

Starts over again.See Casebook play 9.8SitC.

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:46am

Re: When do you start the 10 second count?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
When the ball goes to the backcourt? Or when the ball is touched in the backcourt?

Peace

The 10 second count starts when the player establishes control in the back court.See part B of casebook 4.12.6.

rainmaker Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:51pm

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Originally posted by mj
Bart is correct. No violation because there was no team control in the frontcourt once the ball was inbounded.

And yes the 10 second count starts over.

MJ

And when coach B complains that the 10 second count starts over, you remind him that it cost coach A a time-out to get that new 10 seconds. I don't know why it never occurs to them on their own.

Camron Rust Thu Oct 31, 2002 01:05pm

Re: Re: When do you start the 10 second count?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
When the ball goes to the backcourt? Or when the ball is touched in the backcourt?

Peace

The 10 second count starts when the player establishes control in the back court.See part B of casebook 4.12.6.

To make this a little more generic...the 10 second count starts when their is team control of a ball in that is in the backcourt. Doesn't necessarily have to be player control in the backcourt.

Bart Tyson Thu Oct 31, 2002 01:54pm

Just to finish clearing up the 10sec. rule; Team A in control in front court, Player A1 attempts a pass to A2, B2 tips the ball into the back court. The 10sec. count starts when the ball touches the back court.

Dan_ref Thu Oct 31, 2002 02:26pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by mj
Bart is correct. No violation because there was no team control in the frontcourt once the ball was inbounded.

And yes the 10 second count starts over.

MJ

And when coach B complains that the 10 second count starts over, you remind him that it cost coach A a time-out to get that new 10 seconds. I don't know why it never occurs to them on their own.

I prefer to just tell them it's in the rules and we really
should not have to discuss it.

ChuckElias Thu Oct 31, 2002 04:05pm

I know it's not why Troward's asking, but in the NBA, the answer is that you do not re-start the count, and the count is only to 8.

Chuck

BktBallRef Thu Oct 31, 2002 09:33pm

Re: Re: Re: When do you start the 10 second count?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
When the ball goes to the backcourt? Or when the ball is touched in the backcourt?

Peace

The 10 second count starts when the player establishes control in the back court.See part B of casebook 4.12.6.

To make this a little more generic...the 10 second count starts when their is team control of a ball in that is in the backcourt. Doesn't necessarily have to be player control in the backcourt.

Yes, but on this play, Rut gets one right. The count doesn't start until A possesses the ball in the BC because there was not team control on the throw-in.

JRutledge Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:18pm

Showing your age.
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef


Yes, but on this play, Rut gets one right. The count doesn't start until A possesses the ball in the BC because there was not team control on the throw-in.

How old are you? ;)

Peace


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