Six on court, but...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Right. It's what I was assuming above -- that there was a whistle for the 6 on the court.

I asssume that you assumed that probably because Snaqs said "your partner blows the whistle for the T".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I asssume that you assumed that probably because Snaqs said "your partner blows the whistle for the T".

Yeah, I was thinking as he blew the whistle, he saw the 6 players. Frankly, if the coach is asking for a TO that quickly after the start of a quarter, and I hadn't properly counted the players before the start, my brain is going to trigger to do a quick count before I blow the whistle.

I stand corrected on the TO. After I wrote that, it dawned on me that it's no different than a coach requesting a TO just as you call a held ball.

[just another ref]

Here's another case of guys referring to when the whistle blows, when it comes to granting a timeout. Is the whistle itself significant or not? Official sees/hears the request, then sees 6 players, then blows the whistle. Can he call the T or not?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Here's another case of guys referring to when the whistle blows, when it comes to granting a timeout. Is the whistle itself significant or not? Official sees/hears the request, then sees 6 players, then blows the whistle. Can he call the T or not?

Um no. Snaqs said the whistle was blown for the technical foul. No whistle was ever blown for a TO. When the whistle was blown though is completely irrelevant. What the whistle was blown for determines the subsequent call.

The only confusion is yours. It's a straight-forward play.

[Adam]

It looks like I may have misread, but I can't tell exactly when the partner noticed the 6 players.
If he didn't notice until after he blew his whistle, give the TO; no T.
If he noticed as he blew his whistle, and he thinks quickly enough, he can give the T (IMO). Note, I could be wrong here, but like I said, in this situation I'm likely to hold my whistle a moment and count the players while I verify which team has the ball.
If, however, he noticed as he blew his whistle but goes ahead and signals/announces the TO. Go with the TO.

[BillyMac]

If a team has more than five team members participating simultaneously, then a team technical foul is charged. This infraction is penalized if it is discovered by the officials while being violated, in other words, while more than five team members are currently participating as players in the game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If he noticed as he blew his whistle, and he thinks quickly enough, he can give the T (IMO).

That's true only if he actually blew the whistle to give the "T". If he blew the whistle to grant the TO request,by rule you then can't assess a "T". You can't blow your whistle for one reason and then change your mind later as to why you blew the whistle.

Why'd you blow your whistle, ref?"
"For either a timeout or a "T". Gotta think about it."

It's a straight-forward play. There's no need to play games with it.

[constable]

This shouldn't happen. As an Official you should check each time the ball is inbounded to make sure they have the correct amount of players.

If somehow it does get missed, if the coach called the timeout you cannot call the T. The 6 players must be discovered while the ball is live.

Your partner kicked the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's true only if he actually blew the whistle to give the "T". If he blew the whistle to grant the TO request,by rule you then can't assess a "T". You can't blow your whistle for one reason and then change your mind later as to why you blew the whistle.

Why'd you blow your whistle, ref?"
"For either a timeout or a "T". Gotta think about it."

It's a straight-forward play. There's no need to play games with it.

Fair enough.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, I was thinking as he blew the whistle, he saw the 6 players. Frankly, if the coach is asking for a TO that quickly after the start of a quarter, and I hadn't properly counted the players before the start, my brain is going to trigger to do a quick count before I blow the whistle.

I stand corrected on the TO. After I wrote that, it dawned on me that it's no different than a coach requesting a TO just as you call a held ball.

That seems strange to me (as a non-basketball official). Isn't the general principle that when you recognize a timeout request with team control you should grant it? Not check to determine if there are any rules being violated?
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[Adam]

Originally Posted by youngump

That seems strange to me (as a non-basketball official). Isn't the general principle that when you recognize a timeout request with team control you should grant it? Not check to determine if there are any rules being violated?

Yep, and I'm granting the TO request. It'll take about half a second, IMO, to count to 5. That, and 9 times out of 10, the other coach (and the fans) is using the word "six" at the same time, so there's going to be a lot going through the mind in this short amount of time.