Six on court, but...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. If your partner blows the whistle for the T at the same time (virtually) he sees 6 players on the court, I've got no problem with sticking with the T.

2. Coach uses his timeout regardless, IMO. He tried to get out of the T by using a TO.

Disagree. You can't enforce both because both depend on the reason for the whistle. If the whistle was for 6 players on the court, enforce that and ask the coach if he still wants the TO. If the whistle was to grant a TO, the "T" is no longer enforceable by rule but the TO must be taken.

You can choose what the whistle was blown for but you can't choose both.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Disagree. You can't enforce both because both depend on the reason for the whistle. If the whistle was for 6 players on the court, enforce that and ask the coach if he still wants the TO. If the whistle was to grant a TO, the "T" is no longer enforceable by rule but the TO must be taken.

Right. It's what I was assuming above -- that there was a whistle for the 6 on the court.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Right. It's what I was assuming above -- that there was a whistle for the 6 on the court.

I asssume that you assumed that probably because Snaqs said "your partner blows the whistle for the T".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I asssume that you assumed that probably because Snaqs said "your partner blows the whistle for the T".

Yeah, I was thinking as he blew the whistle, he saw the 6 players. Frankly, if the coach is asking for a TO that quickly after the start of a quarter, and I hadn't properly counted the players before the start, my brain is going to trigger to do a quick count before I blow the whistle.

I stand corrected on the TO. After I wrote that, it dawned on me that it's no different than a coach requesting a TO just as you call a held ball.

[just another ref]

Here's another case of guys referring to when the whistle blows, when it comes to granting a timeout. Is the whistle itself significant or not? Official sees/hears the request, then sees 6 players, then blows the whistle. Can he call the T or not?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Here's another case of guys referring to when the whistle blows, when it comes to granting a timeout. Is the whistle itself significant or not? Official sees/hears the request, then sees 6 players, then blows the whistle. Can he call the T or not?

Um no. Snaqs said the whistle was blown for the technical foul. No whistle was ever blown for a TO. When the whistle was blown though is completely irrelevant. What the whistle was blown for determines the subsequent call.

The only confusion is yours. It's a straight-forward play.

[Adam]

It looks like I may have misread, but I can't tell exactly when the partner noticed the 6 players.
If he didn't notice until after he blew his whistle, give the TO; no T.
If he noticed as he blew his whistle, and he thinks quickly enough, he can give the T (IMO). Note, I could be wrong here, but like I said, in this situation I'm likely to hold my whistle a moment and count the players while I verify which team has the ball.
If, however, he noticed as he blew his whistle but goes ahead and signals/announces the TO. Go with the TO.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, I was thinking as he blew the whistle, he saw the 6 players. Frankly, if the coach is asking for a TO that quickly after the start of a quarter, and I hadn't properly counted the players before the start, my brain is going to trigger to do a quick count before I blow the whistle.

I stand corrected on the TO. After I wrote that, it dawned on me that it's no different than a coach requesting a TO just as you call a held ball.

That seems strange to me (as a non-basketball official). Isn't the general principle that when you recognize a timeout request with team control you should grant it? Not check to determine if there are any rules being violated?
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[Adam]

Originally Posted by youngump

That seems strange to me (as a non-basketball official). Isn't the general principle that when you recognize a timeout request with team control you should grant it? Not check to determine if there are any rules being violated?

Yep, and I'm granting the TO request. It'll take about half a second, IMO, to count to 5. That, and 9 times out of 10, the other coach (and the fans) is using the word "six" at the same time, so there's going to be a lot going through the mind in this short amount of time.