chicken wing?
 

Talked with an official friend who had a big game last night and was approached by coach to look out for an opposing player who 'chicken wings' down low. Never heard that term before. Offensive player has defender on his back and extends arms back virtually locking him in. IMHO a tough call to make if pressure isn't much on defender. Friend eventually called a double foul as defender had his knee up players behind. Seems like the right call to end jostling underneath.

A team control hold call may be in order? Anyone ever have this call?

My question is, I see it from time to time. How to call it.
Advantage disadvantage? Early on, "knock it off" verbal warning? Typical play seems to be arms back and defender trying to push through or throw A aside

HTBT probably applies but thought I'd toss it out there.

If the defender isn't attempting to get around the offensive player, it seems like nothing. If he is, and it stops him, easy TC call (if you're looking at it).

+1 Just had this same call in my last game. A little earlier in the game I had yelled at the kid to quit holding.

Did the opposing coach ask if you were gonna coach his kid too?

No,
I'm pretty consistent at the beginning of all my games to say it on both ends. This sometimes sets the tone so rough play doesn't escalate. As time goes by, (the last 30 years) basketball is getting to be way more physical, unfortunately in my opinion, bball should not resemble football, I've always believed bball is more of a game of finesse. 30 years ago way less contact was allowed especially with screens and blocking out.

It's holding / hooking and is called / judged the same way as any other action that impedes movement.

Had a BV game last week, and the coach yelled out to me, "hey watch it out there, my guys are getting ocean waved!" WTH does that mean? I interepreted it to mean that his guys were getting plowed over, but I sure didn't see it, my partners didn't either.

I agree, but generic terms such as "straight" or "easy" arent directed to the O or D & is less subject to being interpreted as coaching.

I'm sure the coach of the kid being chicken winged wanted the foul...

happens a lot around here. Tweet - team foul - hold.

They learn quick. If I see it starting again I might say "straight up" once. Then if they need the hard lesson we can do it all over again.

The "chicken wing" I was envisioning is the play where the post player does a drop step/spin move and in the process uses an elbow out at the side to get past the defender.

But to the OP, I have called this before. If the defender is attempting to get around the offense player, it's an easy foul going the other way. If the defender is content with his position, then I have nothing.

"It's fun to find out what makes an ocean wave wave!"

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(copyright 1977? :eek: omg, i'm old)

You're overanalyzing it. Absolutely nothing wrong with "Don't push!" "Don't hold," "Get out of the lane." It preventive officiating. It's got nothing to do with coaching.

Agree. Compare: "get open in the post" or "set a pick." One is about avoiding fouls and violations, which we enforce; the other is about strategy and tactics.

I guess its all about where one lives, the levels one works & who one works for...

I've been taught "dont" & "get" suggests to one of the coaches that something illegal is happening & leads to "just call the foul/violation!!"

Speaking directly to the defense, "dont hold" is coaching the defense out of a foul in some peoples opinion. "Easy" or "straight" is less subjective. You could be talking to either or both players.

That being said, I'm all for preventitive officiating. I just do it in a different manner.

Purely out of curiosity, how do you encourage players out of the paint?

Up until last Saturday I would simply say "lane" but someone at a level I aspire to work told me "not to trouble trouble."

We were watching the womens game prior to our game from the top of the arena & you could hear the lead say "lane" way up there. Like clockwork, the fans then the coach start screaming for 3 seconds & a whistle as a shot goes up.

His thinking is, we have more than enough junk going on out there to be adding our own junk into the game.
If the ball is up high in the f/c & he's in the lane for a bit... SO WHAT!
Once the fans start screaming "3 seconds" that will be his encouragement to move.
Let the coach/fans get players out of the lane for you, was the mindset here.

I'll say 'watch the lane' or 'watch the hands' in first few minutes of game at BOTH ends, after that, they're on their own.

addendum: to your comment, I'm certainly not yelling anything that can be heard outside of a small area such as the paint.

Right! You're L on As end & you say "watch the lane" so the player moves, no whistle. Your partner the T who doesnt use any verbal on the court (OOB just points no color, travel just a signal & point) becomes the new L on the next play & gives no warning, just hits em with a 3 seconds... how fair is that to Team B?

Other than kids games, I don't work two man, so I may say it as a C also. Anybody can say watch the hands.

I'm not obligated to ensure both teams hear my watch the lane comment. They know the rules. I'm responsible for my area, and that's what I choose to do. By the way, sometimes I say nothing, depends if I'm in a philanthropic mood. Also if post player on defense hears first 'watch the lane' I'm assuming it registers with him when he's on offense.

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Hey, I'm not arguing who/whats right. What you do works for you & Im trying something new.

A 3-second violation will get the point across, for certain. :D

I went 2 seasons without calling one. I've called 5 this year already.

All I know is every time I'm drawn to a potential 3 second call, I miss something. Murphy's law.

Don't make it your favorite call, as the saying goes, is so true.

+1^9 (Wait that's still 1) Could not agree more.

Interesting. That is different than what I've been told but I will keep this in mind.

Yeah, the source is a DI official who was slumming on a JUCO game with me... but he worked it like a Final Four game. I gotta listen & apply that advice!

They're no different than technical foul calls. If it's there, call it. And don't analyze it unless you're sure you can learn something from it. And don't make up excuses not to call it.

I've seen several 3-second calls in D1 games this year. Life as we know it went on.

Hey if there are NBA officials calling it.... ;)

Exactly my style!

Exactly right. In the games I've worked players seem to know to get in and out of the lane. When they don't, I call the violation. I'm not much for talking players out, have to say, as I don't see a lot of problems with this in the first place.

I'm not looking to make it my best call, either. I had a coach tell me that a player's toe on the weak side was over the lane line for more than 3 seconds and I was left completely speechless.

We're expected to talk them out of the lane here, but I'm not turning into Chatty Kathy to do it. I'll say "lane" once, but I have found a 3 second call is far more effective.