What is the correct call?

gabenet · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 01:47am

I have a question to all that have the answer.

Let's say you are in a situation in a game that an offensive player, in this case player A, is on a fast break and the only thing between player A and the basket is a defensive player, in this case player B. If player A is dribbling towards the basket and player B, who is standing right on front of the basket, somehow deflects the basketball from player A causing the ball to be loose in bounce. While the deflection was made, the momentum of player A caused him to go out of bounce, can player A come back in bounce and be the next person to touch the ball?

That is the question, please explain your answer. Thank you all in advance.

GabeNet

Tim Roden · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:19am

A simple answer is yes. This is a lose ball situation and there is no player control on a lose ball or interupted dribble. Player A must get one foot back in bounds and the other foot airborn(not touching anything OOB) before he touches the ball.

JRutledge · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 07:36am

gabenet,

You are doing what many people do, you are thinking of a football rule rather than a basketball one. In football rules, there are certain situations where a player that goes out of bounds cannot be the first to make a play or touch the ball. In basketball this principle does not apply. Basketball only allows a player to be inbounds and touch the ball if they are considered inbounds by location. Basically the last part of the floor they touch is where they are located on the floor by rule (there are exceptions). Do not feel bad, many others think the same thing. As a matter of fact many people have asked this question lately. It is starting to get as common as "if a shooter shoots an airball, is it travelling if they get the ball first?" But I am sure TH will disagree with that. He disagrees with everything else I say.

Peace

Mark Padgett · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Tim Roden
Player A must get one foot back in bounds and the other foot airborn(not touching anything OOB) before he touches the ball.

Tim - can't a player jump back in and land on both feet inbounds and then touch the ball and be legal? Did they change the rule last night while I was sleeping?

Just kidding.

Tim Roden · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 12:14pm

I write strange things in my sleep. You can have both feet but only one is required.

gabenet · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:18pm

JR, I am not getting confused with football rules. I know the rules quite well. It's just another individual that totally is disagreeing with my call. I know if you shoot up an airball that you can't regain control of the basketball unless it touches an object (meaning person or backboard). The rule in basketball is that if you are the last person to touch the ball and then you step out-of-bounce, you can't be the first person to touch that ball again. I want to know, if it hits a defender while your momentum takes you out-of-bounce, can you reestablish position in bounce and be the next person to touch the ball? Another way of asking that is, if you come back in bounce and touch the ball, are you the first player to touch it even though it hit the defender?

stripes · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by gabenet
JR, I am not getting confused with football rules. I know the rules quite well. It's just another individual that totally is disagreeing with my call. I know if you shoot up an airball that you can't regain control of the basketball unless it touches an object (meaning person or backboard). The rule in basketball is that if you are the last person to touch the ball and then you step out-of-bounce, you can't be the first person to touch that ball again. I want to know, if it hits a defender while your momentum takes you out-of-bounce, can you reestablish position in bounce and be the next person to touch the ball? Another way of asking that is, if you come back in bounce and touch the ball, are you the first player to touch it even though it hit the defender?

Are you sure you know the rules quite well? Go back and re-read your post and consider what the rules really say before you start spouting off about knowing something.

"Just the facts, Ma'am!"

mick · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by gabenet
JR, I am not getting confused with football rules. I know the rules quite well. It's just another individual that totally is disagreeing with my call. I know if you shoot up an airball that you can't regain control of the basketball unless it touches an object (meaning person or backboard). The rule in basketball is that if you are the last person to touch the ball and then you step out-of-bounce, you can't be the first person to touch that ball again. I want to know, if it hits a defender while your momentum takes you out-of-bounce, can you reestablish position in bounce and be the next person to touch the ball? Another way of asking that is, if you come back in bounce and touch the ball, are you the first player to touch it even though it hit the defender?

gabenet,
Be careful here.
T'ain't so.
Are you talking about American basketball rulles for college and high school?
mick

JRutledge · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:50pm

I tried to warn ya. No my brotha, you on your own.

Peace

ChuckElias · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally posted by gabenet
The rule in basketball is that if you are the last person to touch the ball and then you step out-of-bounce, you can't be the first person to touch that ball again.

Gabe,

For the most part, we discuss college and HS rules on this forum. The rule you give is only in effect for the NBA. However, whether we're talking about the NBA or college or HS, the answer to your question is that the situation you describe is legal.

Chuck

zebraman · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 03:26pm

Gabenet,

Is your rule knowledge a result of many years of having played the game? When I played the game, I thought I knew the rules. Then I became a ref and realized I did't know them well at all.

Start studying a rule book and you will be very surprised at how many false assumptions you played under all those years (and you might remember a time when you thought a ref was certified nuts and now you realize that he was right)!

Z

P.S. You owe $5.00 to BktballRef for that airball one.

DownTownTonyBrown · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 03:55pm

What is "out-of-bounce?"

Is that like a flat ball that won't bounce?

"Come back in-bounce" must be pumping the ball up.

bard · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 04:41pm

I believe "out of bounce" was in reference to the player and must either refer to running out of energy or not having any more of those anti-static thingies you throw in the dryer that make your uniform smell all nice. Therefore, the "out of bounce" player must be tired or staticy and not smelling very nice.

"Back in bounce" must therefore refer to a second wind and a fresh uniform. Sounds legal to me if the player returned to the lockerroom during a timeout for the change of clothes...

AK ref SE · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 05:04pm

I think he was talking about his checking account....when he is out of bounce...he cannot write checks any more.

Camron Rust · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 28, 2002, 07:08pm

Quote:

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
What is "out-of-bounce?"

Is that like a flat ball that won't bounce?

It's a condition basketball players get when they get old and can't jump anymore or when they tear an ACL.

Quote:

"Come back in-bounce" must be pumping the ball up.

This occurs when the player finds the fountain of youth or after the ACL surgery and physical therapy.