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jar, let me ask this:
A1 tries to make a pass, but B1 gets his hand on the ball. A1's hand slips off, leaving B1 with the ball. The force being applied leads B1 to keep pushing against the ball, which is now pinned against A1's hip, knocking A1 to the floor. PC foul? |
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Yet, what if B1 had slipped off the ball and pushed A1 to the floor due to the force and momentum from his play on the ball? |
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It's also not anywhere close to being a personal foul. ;) Quote:
A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live. Illegal contact is addressed under 10-6, where nothing defines contact as touching an opponent with the ball. All articles address illegal personal contact. |
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Let me know when you get to the part that says contacting an opponent with the ball is defined as contact. :D |
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My point is, if intentionally shoving an opponent with the ball is an intentional foul, then accidentally doing it should be a regular foul. A1 has the ball, guarded by B1. He pivots to pass, and in the process swings the ball around and hits (with the ball only) B1 in the shoulder, knocking him to the floor (A1 is sufficiently larger than B1 that this is not an unlikely scenario). B1 was entitled to his spot, and contact was purely accidental. If B1 had been hit with A1's forearm, it would be an easy PC foul. Are you calling this PC? |
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.....shall not impede the progress of an opponent by extending the arm(s)..... The contact in this example is often with the hands, or in one particular case, the ball. Quote:
Has this come up before? I seem to remember a play, here or in real life, where the thrower-in used the ball to back the defender off the line. |
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Well then, our disagreement is fundamental.
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While I don't have it at my disposal, I do seem to remember an interpretation that supports JAR's point.
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