Over and Back

[Larks]

Howdy all. Its that time of year again where I provide thought provoking questions, call the old guys "old" and of continue my veteran in training program. So....today's question is...

Whaddya got if....

A) A1 is holding the ball. B1 smacks the ball out of A1's hands (meaning A1 does not control the ball anymore) causing the ball to hit off A1's leg and to roll into the back court. A1 retrieves the ball in the back court.

B) The ball does not touch A1's leg but A1 still retrieves it

C) The Ball does touch A1's leg and A2 retrieves it

NF please

Larks
VIT

[ChuckElias]

C'mon Larks, after being here this long, you know these.

A -- violation

B -- no violation

C -- violation

In A and C, a member of the team in control touched the ball last in the frontcourt and then a member of the same team touched the ball first in backcourt. Tweet!

Chuck

[Larks]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
C'mon Larks, after being here this long, you know these.

A -- violation

B -- no violation

C -- violation

In A and C, a member of the team in control touched the ball last in the frontcourt and then a member of the same team touched the ball first in backcourt. Tweet!

Chuck

I hear ya. B is easy. A & C just seemed funny to me but I guess its kinda like out of bounds. If A1 is holding the ball, B1 smacks it off A1 and the ball goes out, B1's Ball.

Thanks for the clarification

[fletch_irwin_m]

Since we are bringing up over and back.
JV girls game (Hey one day I will be "big time"ha)
I am in trail (2 person) a step behind ball which is a little behind the division line. A1 puts right foot over line, reverses, pulls foot back and puts ball over line. I have nothing. Partner, in lead blows whistle and calls "Over and Back".
Here is the dilema. Hopefully, this will help me move up if I know how to handle this. I let the play stand. I KNEW that is was not a violation and that all 3 points had not crossed the line. But he was my partner, made the call and off he went. Should I have over ruled? If so, how do you do this and protect your partner? I did talk to him after the game and explained the rule. He did not know about the "3 points" rule. Any suggestions?

[Dan_ref]

Oh boy. You might have done something like this:

- blow the whistle to get everybodys attention, especially his.

- huddle with him. Alone. Away from anyone else.

- In a calm manner explain to him that you were on top of
the play and there was no violation. Explain why. Don't
argue with him, if he disagrees tell him he's got to trust
you on this but the violation won't stand. If he still
disagrees remind him that while he was 50 feet away from
the play you were only 5 feet away from it and there was no
violation. Don't argue, smile, look calm.

- Your partner then declares his whistle to be inadvertent
and you play on.

- If he won't give up the call then let it go, you've done
your best but don't get into a fight on the court. After
the game might be another story

[rockyroad]

Dan is exactly right...good post Dan! The only thing I would add is this: if your partner does it again in the same game, then pull out a piece of Bubblicious gum - preferably sugarless - and begin chewing it. That way, you will have to remove yourself from the game because of the choking hazard, and won't have to work with that guy anymore!

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Oh boy. You might have done something like this:

- blow the whistle to get everybodys attention, especially his.

- huddle with him. Alone. Away from anyone else.

- In a calm manner explain to him that you were on top of
the play and there was no violation. Explain why. Don't
argue with him, if he disagrees tell him he's got to trust
you on this but the violation won't stand. If he still
disagrees remind him that while he was 50 feet away from
the play you were only 5 feet away from it and there was no
violation. Don't argue, smile, look calm.

- Your partner then declares his whistle to be inadvertent
and you play on.

- If he won't give up the call then let it go, you've done
your best but don't get into a fight on the court. After
the game might be another story

Dan,
If this happens to me, I can only bite harder on my Fox.
However, if this call became a point of distraction emanating from the bench, and I was called into the mix, then I would feel obliged to take your course of action.

We had one like that last night. C reached across the floor for an incorrect over-and-back 4' in front of me. We went the other way, and then straightened out the interpretation in the officials room at half-time.

Yeah, if anyone knew the rule, the whole crew looks bad. But what are the chances?

mick

[rgaudreau]

Originally posted by fletch_irwin_m
Partner, in lead blows whistle and calls "Over and Back".
Here is the dilema. He did not know about the "3 points" rule. Any suggestions?

If I was a coach in this game, I`d definitely bring this up with the official.

How did the coaches react or were they not paying attention?

Ren

[fletch_irwin_m]

How did the coaches react or were they not paying attention?

Great question. I was paying attention. She was questioning the call. We both knew that the call was wrong, but she did not go ballistic. Earlier in the game she asked if my partner was a first year official and I told her I did not know. (After all I am only in my second!) I did hear a lot of "Can you help your partner out?" from both benches. What I did do was on the next possession was to make a 3 second call on Team B. Team A coach gave me a "Thank You" and Team B coach just smiled. I HATE, and rarely if ever, have a "Make - Up" call, but that was the only way I could think of to keep the situation under control. Probably not the best solution, but the only one I could think of on the fly/

[mick]

Originally posted by fletch_irwin_m
I HATE, and rarely if ever, have a "Make - Up" call, but that was the only way I could think of to keep the situation under control. Probably not the best solution, but the only one I could think of on the fly/

Ouch!
I couldn't have done that.

mick

[zebraman]

Originally posted by fletch_irwin_m

I HATE, and rarely if ever, have a "Make - Up" call, but that was the only way I could think of to keep the situation under control. Probably not the best solution, but the only one I could think of on the fly/

I hope you are kidding. Mom was right when she said that two wrongs don't make a right. No make-up calls. Just say no.

Z

[ChuckElias]

I don't think he's saying he made up the call. I think he just counted a "real" 3-seconds, instead of waiting for 10 or 12 seconds like we do most of the time.

Chuck

[fletch_irwin_m]

I don't think he's saying he made up the call. I think he just counted a "real" 3-seconds, instead of waiting for 10 or 12 seconds like we do most of the time

Thanks Chuck you got my meaning.

[stripes]

The worst thing to me was not the wrong call being made, but the call being made by the lead who was at least 40' away. Who is watching the rest of the court? This would have been the topic of discussion at the next available opportunity. I will hve to live and die with missed or made calls in my area and my partner(s) will have to do the same. In a 2 man game, there is enough problems trying to cover the court if we're both watching our areas...if one of us is ball watching, our problems get worse.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I don't think he's saying he made up the call. I think he just counted a "real" 3-seconds, instead of waiting for 10 or 12 seconds like we do most of the time.

Chuck

That's what I'm talking about... "Yer Bailin' 'im out!"