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bainsey Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:35am

No T for score/timekeepers?
 
Someone on another message board (fans' site) is stating that it's a technical foul for a timekeeper or official scorekeeper to cheer during the game.

Before I make the correction, I'm here to verify. I don't see such a rule. I believe the only consequence for a cheering table official is removal, and typically after a talking-to. Correct?

tref Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:38am

Its common practice around here to warn then remove & replace.

Indianaref Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:41am

Your first clue that they were wrong should be "fan site".

RobbyinTN Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:51am

It is not a T;however, here they are considered part of the officiating "team" and should not voice opinions about calls, etc. - pro or con. They can be replaced if it is deemed that their behavior is inappropriate. I have never replaced any table personnel but I have had to warn them.

Adam Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:59am

It shouldn't be a technical foul. That doesn't mean, however, that one hasn't been called by someone somewhere.

BillyMac Thu Jan 20, 2011 08:33pm

Oh, I've Wanted To, Many Times ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 719505)
Someone on another message board is stating that it's a technical foul for a timekeeper or official scorekeeper to cheer during the game.

Can I charge a technical foul on my partner for doing a terrible job? Better yet, how about ejecting him?

johnsonboys03 Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 719689)
Can I charge a technical foul on my partner for doing a terrible job? Better yet, how about ejecting him?

BillyMac your signature is a scripture verse. How can you want to throw your partner under the bus like that... and remember you can do all things threw christ who strengthens me lol.

SCalScoreKeeper Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:36pm

I wish the officials would have replaced the host scorekeeper in my boys quarterfinal game last year.Here it is a requirement for postseason that adults run the table but this school employed a student scorekeeper that for the next 1.5 gave me a splitting headache due to her running commentary.Here too the procedure is warn then replace.If your state had such a rule banning student scorekeepers from postseason action would you tell the host school they had to find someone else or let the kid work? I have never posted anything bad about my adult colleagues but I seriously had a headache because of this kid and my floor officials never said a word to her.

Judtech Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 719689)
Can I charge a technical foul on my partner for doing a terrible job? Better yet, how about ejecting him?

Well, if they appear concussed!!

chseagle Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:43am

Did you have a copy of that requirement with you? How many officials know of the requirement?

With it being required by the state that the table crew be above the age if 18 & out of HS, you should of mentioned it before the game started.

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 719717)
I wish the officials would have replaced the host scorekeeper in my boys quarterfinal game last year.Here it is a requirement for postseason that adults run the table but this school employed a student scorekeeper that for the next 1.5 gave me a splitting headache due to her running commentary.Here too the procedure is warn then replace.If your state had such a rule banning student scorekeepers from postseason action would you tell the host school they had to find someone else or let the kid work? I have never posted anything bad about my adult colleagues but I seriously had a headache because of this kid and my floor officials never said a word to her.


SCalScoreKeeper Fri Jan 21, 2011 01:53am

Eagle,
No I did not have a copy of the section of our 40/50 page playoff operations manual which states this.The host school's AD is a grizzled veteran and knows the rules.The officials I imagine know this rule if they earn a playoff game.It kind of ticked me off though because if she was like this with a team of out of area refs, how did she act towards the refs in her area?

BillyMac Fri Jan 21, 2011 07:53am

"Rulz Rule" (Esteemed Member)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 719725)
Well, if they appear concussed!!

By rule, that's up to the health care professional.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 21, 2011 08:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 719783)
Eagle,
The officials I imagine know this rule if they earn a playoff game.

I wouldn't assume that. I have no idea if there are any specific score-keeper or timer requirements for hosting a playoff game in this state.

Generally, there's a process for reporting these types of items. Find out what it is and use it of appropriate.

Judtech Fri Jan 21, 2011 09:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 719824)
By rule, that's up to the health care professional.

We can have them removed, but the HCP is responsible for them to re enter. I would recommend slipping them "a little extra" to keep your partner on the sidelines!

Stat-Man Fri Jan 21, 2011 07:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 719717)
I wish the officials would have replaced the host scorekeeper in my boys quarterfinal game last year.Here it is a requirement for postseason that adults run the table but this school employed a student scorekeeper that for the next 1.5 gave me a splitting headache due to her running commentary.Here too the procedure is warn then replace.If your state had such a rule banning student scorekeepers from postseason action would you tell the host school they had to find someone else or let the kid work? I have never posted anything bad about my adult colleagues but I seriously had a headache because of this kid and my floor officials never said a word to her.

Earlier this season, our school was on the road and for the first two games out of four, the home scorer is coaching from the table the entire game. Later on, there was a discrepancy with the AP arrow and I mentioned to the official that perhaps the arrow issue wouldn't exist if the home scorer wasn't coaching from the table. The response? The official put his fingers to his lips and said this behavior should be expected at this (5/6, 7/8 grade) level. :mad: :confused:

If it happens when the same team plays at our home court in a couple of weeks, it will be addressed. (I'm hoping not, though).


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