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5th Foul - Game management.
Last night, 2 mnutes, 4th quarter ( I observed, from behind the scorer's table), 6'1" V30 was called for her 5th, a shooting foul, by Umpire.
V30, visitors best scorer, walked toward the bench knowing it was her 5th. (U did not notify C coach or V30.) V coach told V30 to stay on the floor, so V30 stopped, turned around and watched the other players line up. U and R have the players lined up and are prepared to accept the replacement, but nobody is moving at V's bench. R, who was going to administer the free throws, then tossed the ball to U and walked to V bench. He politely told V coach that V30 had just received her 5th. V coach quietly vented to R, R quietly listened, and V coach then asked for a time-out. [Edited by mick on Oct 23rd, 2002 at 08:17 AM] |
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It's pretty standard procedure around here to have a non-calling official report a player's fifth foul to the coach. Just another means to avoid a conflict that might lead to a technical foul. We don't line the rest of the players up, though, or make the disqualified player remain on the court; these would seem to draw more attention to the disqualification and increase the potential for conflict.
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I am not sure what your is question, but I am guessing that you are wondering what the procedure is and in this case could this be unsportsmanlike.
officicals and their duties RULE 2.8.4 - notify the coach and then notify the player on a disqualification. The case book gives a little bit more information - It is recommended that the official who called the foul be responsible for notification. The scorer is to indicate to that official when a player(s) has committed his/her fifth foul (personal and technical) or second technical foul. The calling official will immediately notify the coach and then the player of the disqualification. The player is officially disqualified and becomes bench personnel when the coach is notified. The official then instructs the timer to begin the 30-second replacement period. If the scorer never lets the officials know then IS it the responsiblity of the coach or player to let the official know that they have fouled out? NO, Even if they know that they have fouled out they don't have the responsibility to let the official know. Until you let the coach and player know of the the disqualification the player is still a valid player and not bench personnel. Hey if we as a team, (the scorer, timer, and officials) miss that a player has fouled out then I am going to eat it. |
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Thanks. Good procedure quote. My purpose was to offer a real game sitch with a quirk. Forewarned.... mick |
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I completely agree. I think it is a cop out to always have the non-calling official tell the coach who fouled out. If you are man/women enough to call the foul, you can inform the coach who fouled out. It does not mean you go over had shake the hand of the coach, but you probably are the only person that knows who and what happened.
I know in NCAA Women's Basketball, we have to go table side after every call. The NBA does the same, so it can be done in my opinion. Peace
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With your presence, there ain't gonna be anyone to question you either way. We don't have that local procedure U.P. here, but I remember it being discussed.... somewhere. Actually, I think it may be a three-man mechanic where the Center is gone and the Trail may let 'em know. Man it's been a long time since I worked three. Tomorrow night, ...finally! I don't mind telling the coach, "That's Five, Coach." And I welcome the opportunity to offer an indirect "T". |
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If you want me, as your partner, to take the 5th foul, I'll do it, but how will it reflect on you if I am the only official who reports the 5th foul to the coaches? If you think they won't notice that, you are mistaken. IMO, your credibility will be shot.
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