Great minds think alike even if one of them is a Western Illinois and UMichigan fan. :D

MTD, Sr.

That's what I saw too. White was surprised when a pair of arms reached around his head and rebounded the ball. Rather than grabbing the ball and getting a held ball, he started to grab the arm. The player shot through the contact and made the bucket. Good no call X 2.

I went to a UG forum to see what they are saying and obviously they are 100% that was a bad call. I agree with you all that the Georgia player was pushing back and grabbed the arm of the Tenn player so either a no call or a foul on the Georgia player.

No, it's not over-the-back. When fans scream for that, they want the taller player punished for reaching into space (90% of the time). To even state "there is such a thing as over the back" is just flat out wrong; especially when talking to someone who's admittedly new to basketball rules.

Love the Frankenstein mechanics being displayed by the crowd.

What I can't see from the one time I watched this, is whether the Tenn player "held down" the GA player. If so, that could be a foul. But, I'll defer to the officials on the game on this.

The Tenn player definitely held down the GA player, by using his upper arm against B's shoulder.

In fact, that upper arm not only hindered B's desired movement, it was the cause of B moving backwards. B's initial jump was straight up. After the contact initiated by A, B was forced backwards a total of 3 steps. In addition, A's contact even forced B's body to the left.

Yes A got the ball legally, that is, without contact to B. But after he had control, he's still in B's vertical space, and used his upper arm which prevented B from performing any actions on his own accord.

I've got a player control foul, go to overtime.

Yep - you got it. I told him at half time that "over the back" wasn't a valid call and his mechanic certainly wasn't in the book. I tried to explain the difference between going over teh top of someone to get the rebound without fouling and a push from behind to get to the ball. I am not sure he "got it" but at least there were no other weird mechnics that evening :rolleyes:

Actually the correct call, by rule, without a doubt would be 3 seconds. Williams enters the lane at :07 ... I know, I know, we would never call it in that situation. But still, that is clearly UGA's best argument

as a newer official, i have to ask...would this have been called differently if this play had occurred halfway through the first half, instead of at the end of the game?

I doubt that would be called in ANY situation ANYWHERE. Only a fanboy would ever dream of arguing that one.

No.

And what would you call 10:00 in that didn't get called here?

Just asking to better understand in general...when should a 3 second violation be called? My general approach has been to give the players 4-5 seconds while verbally encouraging them out of the lane and only calling it if they stay camped out.

I generally agree with this approach and use it myself. In the video, about the point you get to around 4 in the count, the three point shot goes up. So, about the time you would start to think about blowing your whistle, team control ends. It wouldn't get called at the 10:00 minute mark of the first half, either.