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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 08:56am
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I honestly can't see any state going against a definitive NFHS ruling like that when all the player has to do to be legally dressed is remove the shorts and just wear the long pants.
I can.

(But I don't know what they have done in snaqwell's state.)
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 10:01am
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She wore the long pants and long shirt under her uniform for religious reasons. ( modesty )

She was their best player. I wasn't going to argue that she couldn't, I could see there being a law suit for discrimination.

Plus, they were both tight to the skin, nothing hanging loose.

She played like that for 4 years and is now in college, I expect playing somewhere.
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 10:33am
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I can.

(But I don't know what they have done in snaqwell's state.)
But would you have allowed it without having a ruling from the state?

Or would you just say "Why not just wear the long pants and forget about the shorts?" Imo doing that that would keep any reasonable person happy while meeting the rule at the same time.

Why take a chance that the state might disagree with you when you really don't have to? Doesn't make sense to me. But....that's just me.
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 11:01am
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Couldn't believe what we had...

Two years ago. My association starts doing games for a charter school league. "Varsity" games are akin to JV or Frosh games elsewhere (or worse).

Have a girls game, and it turns out one of the teams is from a school and almost all of the players had headscarves, long-sleeved undershirts and pants.

ALMOST! One player had the full-on burqa with a number taped to the back!



This was a real mind-blower and took some time for my partner and I to process. The league was just getting going, and was seeking high-school accreditation. This we knew. Our association knew they would be struggling (getting shot clocks worked in -- a CA thing -- and other issues) The games needed to get done. This we knew.

The scorekeeper from the team was very nice (older sister of one of the players). I had her tell all of the players that they could not have jewelry on, even underneath and play. She said she would make sure. Informed coach that by rule, headgear needed a letter from the state, etc., then we threw the ball up and played the game.

Burqa wearer was and end-of-the-bench sub who played only a few minutes. Team got drubbed badly, but the girls played hard and had fun.

Just a mind-boggling experience.

Had the same team last year, and things had improved. Long-sleeved undershirts now matched color of uniforms!
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 11:02am
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But would you have allowed it without having a ruling from the state?

Or would you just say "Why not just wear the long pants and forget about the shorts?" Imo doing that that would keep any reasonable person happy while meeting the rule at the same time.

Why take a chance that the state might disagree with you when you really don't have to? Doesn't make sense to me. But....that's just me.
Sometimes when you stick to the rules strange things happen too.

I was approached once before a JH game by a coach asking permission to allow a player to play with a braided thread bracelet on because it was religious. I told him that while I appreciated his player's devotion, he couldn't play if he was wearing it around his wrist (I did suggest taping it to his chest under his jersey). At the start of the game, the player came out sans bracelet and said to me "I really didn't care either way."
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 11:05am
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Here in AZ, we have been told that any player who has to wear something different for religious purposes, must have a letter on file with the state association. The team is required to keep a copy of that letter with them and show it to the game officials on demand. No letter, no play.
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Old Wed Jan 19, 2011, 11:12am
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Here in AZ, we have been told that any player who has to wear something different for religious purposes, must have a letter on file with the state association. The team is required to keep a copy of that letter with them and show it to the game officials on demand. No letter, no play.
That's the best way to handle these types of situations imo. It takes the monkey off of the officials' backs to make a ruling that might be changed up the line later anyway.

It's no problem following the rules but we do have to know what the rules are.
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