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26 Year Gap Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:26pm

If only the fans would understand
 
And then I woke up.

Some basketball rules coaches, players and fans should know — Bangor Daily News

BillyMac Tue Jan 18, 2011 07:21am

I'm Already Wearing Briefs ...
 
"Some Basketball Rules Coaches, Players And Fans Should Know"

"The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules"

Anybody can sue anybody for anything. Does the Bangor Daily News have deep pockets?

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rockchalk jhawk Tue Jan 18, 2011 09:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 718045)
"Some Basketball Rules Coaches, Players And Fans Should Know"

"The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules"

Anybody can sue anybody for anything. Does the Bangor Daily News have deep pockets?

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p...eatum-howe.jpg

You'd be interested to know that some of the situations that are published in our referee's weekly newsletter from our state administrator are copied verbatim from your "Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules" document. :)

I laughed the first time I noticed this.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 18, 2011 09:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 718045)
"Some Basketball Rules Coaches, Players And Fans Should Know"

"The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules"

Anybody can sue anybody for anything. Does the Bangor Daily News have deep pockets?

Billy --

That joke failed to be funny well before the first time you posted it, and it hasn't improved in the approximately 100 times you've tried it here.

26 Year Gap Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:04am

Back before the gap, the author was one of the instructors in my officiating class.

Terrance "TJ" Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:45pm

Then I must still be dreaming...
 
I explained a rule to a call and the fan said, huh, that does makes sense. I bout fainted right there!

letemplay Tue Jan 18, 2011 04:03pm

He left out the most highly misconstrued one of all: "Over the back, ref, he's over the back!"

Terrance "TJ" Tue Jan 18, 2011 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 718389)
He left out the most highly misconstrued one of all: "Over the back, ref, he's over the back!"

Agreed

BillyMac Tue Jan 18, 2011 06:02pm

Kids Say the Darndest Things ...
 
Airborne shooter releases the shot, returns to the floor, and is pushed by a defensive player. Ball doesn't go in. My partner, the lead, calls the foul, and states, "No shot". We're not in the bonus. As my partner goes to the reporting area, I become the new lead and I'm getting ready to administer the throwin. Fouled player is now the throwin player. He politely asks me, "Why don't I get any free throws. I was in the act of shooting?". I tell him that he was fouled after he returned to the floor, that he was no longer an airborne shooter, and that he was just a rebounder who got illegally pushed. Kid says, "You're right. I was just a rebounder. Thanks".

refboss Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:15pm

Most Misunderstood Rules
 
As the "original" author of this title, I feel compelled to say that the #1 commonly misunderstood rule is definitely the 3 seconds in the key rule, followed closely by the restrictions on a designated thrower-in (not travelling), and then either sliding/momentum after a loose ball (not necessarily travelling). All associations/groups should spend a reasonable amount of time teaching the nuances of these types of rules/situations.
My MMR Sheet was deliberately short so as to fit on one page one side.
BTW Billy Mac has done a great job of expanding on what I created.
Barry Alman
SDCA Sports
San Diego, CA

APG Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 718389)
He left out the most highly misconstrued one of all: "Over the back, ref, he's over the back!"

"Over the back" and "reaching"

refboss Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:27pm

almost forgot this one
 
"Hey ref, that's a moving screen!"

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:29pm

"Something" is not illegal.

APG Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refboss (Post 718664)
"Hey ref, that's a moving screen!"

"How's that a charge?! He was moving/wasn't set!"

bainsey Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 718389)
He left out the most highly misconstrued one of all: "Over the back, ref, he's over the back!"

I've gotten to know this author over the last few years, and have worked several games with him. We've talked about "over the back," and he feels the same way we do. (I guess he just forgot or there was a space issue with the article.)

One time, Bob Cimbollek told me a coach was complaining about a player being over the back, and Bob looked right at the coach and said, "SO!?"

BktBallRef Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:17am

Bunch of idiots in Maine, evidently.

CHSLadyEagle Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:33am

I wish people would understand the new running clock rule here & not scream at the timers to stop the clock. *shakes head*

chseagle Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:41am

General public don't know how to look up information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CHSLadyEagle (Post 718714)
I wish people would understand the new running clock rule here & not scream at the timers to stop the clock. *shakes head*

Concerning the fact the this is the 1st year for WIAA to have the running clock for basketball, it does not surprise me that fans are yelling for the clock to stop once the running clock does go into effect during a game.

The only reason why I know about the running clock is because I make an effort to learn the rules, & decided I'd check the WIAA Handbook to see about if there's any state-specific rules changes. This same method was how I knew about the addition of the 35 sec. shot clock for boys last year.

The general game watching populace doesn't even want to make an effort to find out what the rules are, just want to complain about what they see by their understanding.

Maineac Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 718699)
Bunch of idiots in Maine, evidently.

Ayuh, some day we all hope to be as smart as "y'all."

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 718717)
Quote:

Originally Posted by CHSLadyEagle
I wish people would understand the new running clock rule here & not scream at the timers to stop the clock. *shakes head*

Concerning the fact the this is the 1st year for WIAA to have the running clock for basketball, it does not surprise me that fans are yelling for the clock to stop once the running clock does go into effect during a game.

The only reason why I know about the running clock is because I make an effort to learn the rules, & decided I'd check the WIAA Handbook to see about if there's any state-specific rules changes. This same method was how I knew about the addition of the 35 sec. shot clock for boys last year.

The general game watching populace doesn't even want to make an effort to find out what the rules are, just want to complain about what they see by their understanding.

Do you two not talk to each other outside of this forum?

mbyron Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 719050)
Ayuh, some day we all hope to be as smart as "y'all."

The pronoun you're groping for is "all y'all." ;)

I'm not a southerner, but I am multilingual. :)

Maineac Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 719066)
The pronoun you're groping for is "all y'all." ;)

I'm not a southerner, but I am multilingual. :)

Nope. No groping. I got the right one.

Judtech Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:43am

I always like to "educate" fans when I am attending games that I have no affiliation with either coaching or officiating.
Some of the more frequent lessons on the "Syllabus"
Fans - "That's a reach!!"
Me - " Good thing reaching isn't a foul"

Fans - "Three Seconds"
Me - "On your player or theirs?"

Fans - " How can you call that"
Me - "They just put their lips together and blow"

Always fun, and usually creates a lot of leg room and space around me!

BillyMac Wed Jan 19, 2011 02:40pm

To Have and Have Not ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 719075)
"They just put their lips together and blow"

Lauren Bacall would be proud.

chseagle Wed Jan 19, 2011 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 719057)
Do you two not talk to each other outside of this forum?

Can I not explain the reasoning behind my wife's posts?

I was clarifying information for others so they knew what was going on.

Both my wife & I do what we can to keep up to date on the new rules/regs so that we don't have to ask as many questions as the regular fans do.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:05pm

As a former Maine resident
 
Tourist: There sure are a lot of strange people here in Maine.

Mainer: Ayuh. But most of 'em are gone by Labor Day.

bainsey Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 719390)
Tourist: There sure are a lot of strange people here in Maine.

Mainer: Ayuh. But most of 'em are gone by Labor Day.

Yessuh! Gap, I'd tip my Moxie bottle to you (if I could stand drinking the stuff).

Kingsman1288 Thu Jan 20, 2011 04:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 719403)
Yessuh! Gap, I'd tip my Moxie bottle to you (if I could stand drinking the stuff).

It's not that bad when you're drinking it, it's the after taste that kills you!

Anyways, spent my first night up in the stands tonight to actually watch a game in a while. Didn't have to do an evaluation or anything either! Since my mind wasn't occupied I really had a chance to hear the fans for the first time in a long while, and it almost seems like they've gotten worse to me. I had to fight the urge to correct them on everything. It was tough at some points but I managed to bite my tongue :D

BillyMac Thu Jan 20, 2011 07:18am

Does A Garmin Work In Maine ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 719390)
Tourist: There sure are a lot of strange people here in Maine. Mainer: Ayuh. But most of 'em are gone by Labor Day.

Tourist: How do you get to East Millinocket?
Mainer: You can't get there from here.

Gulf Coast Blue Thu Jan 20, 2011 06:49pm

C'mon Ref/Blue........that's got to be something (with a pleading look in their eye). :rolleyes:

One of my favorites.

Joel

bainsey Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 719441)
Tourist: How do you get to East Millinocket?
Mainer: You can't get there from here.

Now now, the Schenck High School Wolverines of East Millinocket are the defending Class D State Champions. They're definitely on the map!

Still, I had a trip last week to a town so small (population 911, no joke), the difference between the three-point line and the side line was literally three inches.

Loudwhistle Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 719765)
Now now, the Schenck High School Wolverines of East Millinocket are the defending Class D State Champions. They're definitely on the map!

Still, I had a trip last week to a town so small (population 911, no joke), the difference between the three-point line and the side line was literally three inches.

Do games that are played in undersized gyms count as conference games? Or was this MS or a HS scrimmage?

26 Year Gap Fri Jan 21, 2011 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 719441)
Tourist: How do you get to East Vassalboro?
Mainer: You can't get there from here.

Fixed it for ya.

26 Year Gap Fri Jan 21, 2011 09:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 719765)
Now now, the Schenck High School Wolverines of East Millinocket are the defending Class D State Champions. They're definitely on the map!

Still, I had a trip last week to a town so small (population 911, no joke), the difference between the three-point line and the side line was literally three inches.

My brother-in-law played for Schenck. And many years ago at the Bangor Auditorium, I saw him play. He is 2 years younger than me. He had red hair and with the green in the uniforms, he really stood out.

26 Year Gap Fri Jan 21, 2011 09:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle (Post 719770)
Do games that are played in undersized gyms count as league games? Or was this MS or a HS scrimmage?

Lee Academy had no division line when I played. They just couldn't host playoff games. Of course back then, only 8 teams in our class made the tournament in Eastern Maine and all teams went to Bangor.

Scrapper1 Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 718693)

One time, Bob Cimbollek told me a coach was complaining about a player being over the back, and Bob looked right at the coach and said, "SO!?"

I say this nearly every time somebody complains that "He wasn't set" after a charging call.


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