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Tonight during my adult league game, lead official (two man crew) is running down the floor during a one on none fast break. When the ball is at about half court the player that turned the ball over yells "sh*t". The ball is now about at the three point line and the defender is clearly beaten when the lead official tweets the whistle. While lead is on his way to the table to report the "T" I mentioned to him he probably should have delayed the whistle. To my surprise he counts the basket! Of course that starts pandimonium!

Okay. Question?

go ahead

Do you have a question?

lol no I thought you did? The ball handler obviously completed a lay up after the whistle blew if that helps. I was just surprised he counted a basket seconds after the whistle blew just because he agreed with me that he should have in that situation delayed his whistle a couple seconds.

I'm sorry the official is so fragile that he'd never heard the word s#%$ before.

A technical for that? In an adult rec game?

And you posted this to tell us this?

Peace

Yes just thought it was bizare enough to share. Guess there was something wrong with sharing this?

yeah the high school we use is very strict with profanity. They sometimes even have school board members there to narc us out. different i know...

Of course you can share, but do not be upset when folks do not get your point. People usually ask questions or have an overall point. If the point was you were surprised, then OK. Now what?

Peace

Well, to me it's a biological function and not a profanity. Is there a list of words you get?

lol the rule is whatever can be said on regular cable television before 9pm is allowed. I know this all seems childish but thats what it takes.

I'm not upset. I didn't realize you didn't get my point. Yes the point was I was surprised, and now nothing. Just sharing.

And how do people know what those are. I have heard some pretty racy things said at that time that I would have never thought could be said but on HBO. Seems like a very subjective standard if you ask me.

Peace

HBO isn't regular cable. I'm not sure what you want from me jrutledge. I was just mentioning a bizare situation. Sounds like no matter what I say during this post your going to have some kind of devils advicate advice. So sorry for whatever has you upset?

I realize that HBO is not regular cable, but you do hear similar language on network TV for example that you might think you would think you only hear on HBO. So I was wondering as well as Rich how do you come to that standard.

And I had moved on when you found something bizarre. And considering it was a Men's league I was a little more trying to figure out what was so bizarre or if there was a larger point. Again, you posted something on a discussion board and usually people ask questions are try to make a larger point which was very hard to figure out. I find many things bizarre and I do not post them here and expect people to not comment on them. If you asked "Does this happen to you...." or "Was my partner's actions bizarre" then you might have got the response you were looking for. I am not even sure what you were expecting anyone to say.

Peace

I wasn't looking for any responses really. I'll be sure to send a private message to you next time to see if it is exceptable to state.

Sometimes when conversations start they start with a statement not a question. You could have not commented but I see by other posts of yours on other threads that you are one of those guys that can't not comment.

It is obvious you did not expect responses. ;)

That is interesting, this is probably the only thread I commented on today that was an OP. But then again you started a thread on a public board and then got upset by folks that commented. I was the second person that did not see the point and how long have you been here. Most new people ask a question, try to make a point or see if what they experienced happens to others. If anything was bizarre it was your OP and the way you responded when a couple of people responded. No sweat off my back, you do not see me posting stories and get upset when I get responses. That is usually how a discussion board works.

Now I know you are one of those guys. ;)

Peace

Obviously, BillyMac hasn't read this thread yet or there would be a picture of George Carlin posted...... :p

Would any or all of you allow a player to yell sh*t in a high school game? Note "yell" as in everybody in the gym can hear it. I wouldn't. Our association directs our officials to call it and the leagues we serve have told us they don't want it allowed either. The NFHS rulesmakers have also told us to call it in a very specific POE that they issued.

I can see leeway in Mens Wreck, guys, but would you allow the same behavior in one of your high school games?

Yell it so the entire gym heard it = No. I would consider it unsporting.

Whack!

If a player yelled it out after turning the ball over? Honestly? I'd probably not even notice it.

Nope. T'd a player once already this season for exactly that behavior...

T in this part of Rome.

I don't think there's any question that "sh*t" is profanity. Otherwise, we wouldn't put symbols in place of letters.

I also believe in some leeway for adult rec, but if the league says to enforce it, do it. If you're looking for a reason to hold the whistle, case 10.4.1 E says to do just that until after the shot, and even though that case mentions the head coach or bench personnel, I think the same would apply to players, too.

BTW, in my second year, I had a T for that word in the first minute of a seventh-grade boys game. I'm the L, and during a rebound, I clearly hear "SH*T!" I blast my whistle and raise my first, only to realize I don't know which one said it! My partner confirmed the young potty-mouth, and the table exchange went something like this:

Me: "Red, 12, technical foul, profanity."
Coach: "What did he say?"
Me: "Well, I can't repeat it."
Coach (points to 12): "HEY! WHAT'D YOU SAY?!"
12: (unintelligible whining)
Coach: "Aw, sit down! You're killing me."

You can walk up to the coach and repeat it quietly.

I do it because there's a filter in place here. No other reason. That doesn't mean that it's globally recognized as a profanity. I can't abbreviate assistant coach as ***. coach here either and that's not a profanity, certainly.

You can't repeat it quietly to an adult coach? You really think you can't?

Maybe the game was being televised on local public access (cable) before 9pm. And that's why he coulnd't repeat it. :)

Speak for yourself. I consider 'assistant coach' as profanity, abbreviated or not! :)

Okay, why do you suppose that word is filtered?

It's filtered here because the site owners decided to be safe.

Rich's point is that the word itself isn't considered profanity by everyone. Standards everywhere are different, and they don't always follow the FCC (which does not regulate basic cable, it regulates broadcast television).

Then again, I'm sure there are quite a few young adults who really don't understand the difference between basic cable and broadcast TV.

Charlie Sheen and the nerds from Big Bang utter all kinds of stuff before 9:00. They must not know about those shows.

Especially if he a smart ***istant.

I have no idea WRT Sheen's show. I find it, well, let's just say I don't watch. Big Bang Theory, however, I watch; and I have to say I've never heard any of the FCC forbidden words on that show.

I do believe that the rules state in 10-2 Section 3, Art 6, b that a player shall not:

"Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts
or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official or gesturing in such a
manner as to indicate resentment.
b. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
c. Baiting or taunting an opponent."

I know that I don't call a T when a player says it about his own play, nor do I when it's inaudible to everyone else. However, I do warn as I can. If it's loud enough for the gym to hear, it's a T whether directed at me or not.

The rules say nothing about the volume, do they?

Nor do they define "profane or inappropriate language." That standard is going to be different based on where you officiate.

Well, no...they don't. However, I think it's pretty naive to explain profanity away...we all know what is and isn't profanity.

I don't think there's any question that word is established as profanity. You could make that case for about a dozen words, but that ain't one of them.

If you want to say that word isn't offensive, then that's up to you. I'm not particularly offended by the word -- it would be hypocritical for me to say that I were -- but there are times and places where that word is verboten. Kids' organized basketball game certainly applies.

Society decides what's profanity; individuals decide what's offensive.

Agreed, and there are things I find offensive which don't get penalized in my games; just as there are things I personally don't find offensive but do. But "society's" decision is different in different areas. What's profane to someone in rural Iowa could be vastly different than what's profane in suburban Chicago. And yes, even the word at issue will get you different results in different areas.

Around here, it's an easy T; but I wouldn't be surprised to find there are areas where that's not the case.

If a player called an opponent some of the things that ARE on that show, regardless of being in the Carlin 7 or not, what would your reaction be?

I don't necessarily agree that the word is verboten nor do I think of it as profanity. To me it's no different than "crap". That word is by far and away much less offensive than a lot of words commonly coming from kids mouths these days.

I wouldn't understand half of them. Have you seen the show?

I avoid the Charlie Sheen one as best I can. The other one I see about half the time.