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Clark Kent Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:27pm

Last Second shot
 
Setting the stage for the following clip.....Game is in overtime with about 7 seconds left. Red team just got a bucket and a foul to tie the game at 60, with a free throw to come that will give them the lead. From there I'll leave it up to you fellas to do your job of breaking it down and sharing your thoughts/advice. Thanks.

YouTube - Last Second Shot Game Winner

mbyron Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:37pm

What's the issue? Looked ok to me, though I couldn't hear exactly when the buzzer went off.

APG Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:48pm

Everything looked gravy to me. :confused:

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:50pm

Ball is out of his hands. Count it.

Though I think the clock started early after the FT.

jTheUmp Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:51pm

Red team's bench personnel shouldn't be standing during the FT attempt.

White team's bench personnel shouldn't be standing during the final shot attempt.

Other then that, I don't see any problems.

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtheump (Post 714992)
red team's bench personnel shouldn't be standing during the ft attempt.

White team's bench personnel shouldn't be standing during the final shot attempt.

Other than that, i don't see any problems.

ftfy

Mark Padgett Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:53pm

From what I could tell, the shot was released prior to the buzzer. None of the officials seemed to have a problem with it and one of them signaled a valid three point shot.

What exactly is your question? Did you think the shot went off late or perhaps the table didn't start the clock promptly?

just another ref Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 714995)
... one of them signaled a valid three point shot.

Actually, two made the signal. And one held it so long it was like he was posing for a picture.

Indianaref Wed Jan 12, 2011 02:02pm

Trail opposite need not signal 3 point attempt out of his area.

Loudwhistle Wed Jan 12, 2011 02:42pm

Looked good to me, loved how one reff at the end had to almost run to get away from the crowd!

bob jenkins Wed Jan 12, 2011 02:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 715003)
Trail opposite need not signal 3 point attempt out of his area.

If he's responsible for the last second shot, he might do it.

rockyroad Wed Jan 12, 2011 02:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 715003)
Trail opposite need not signal 3 point attempt out of his area.

Don't think he did signal a 3...looks like he put his hand up at the horn as he was opposite table and had clock responsibilities...and then he mirrored the made 3 point signal, which he should do.

Clark Kent - what are you questioning here?

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 12, 2011 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 715049)
Don't think he did signal a 3...looks like he put his hand up at the horn as he was opposite table and had clock responsibilities...and then he mirrored the made 3 point signal, which he should do.

Clark Kent - what are you questioning here?

Maybe he was one of the guys on the court! :p

Indianaref Wed Jan 12, 2011 03:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 715069)
Maybe he was one of the guys on the court! :p

I wonder if he was the one who was right in the middle of the celebration.:D

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 12, 2011 04:43pm

Maybe he had clock duties that night...

mbyron Wed Jan 12, 2011 04:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 715069)
Maybe he was one of the guys on the court! :p

I believe that he was. He might be asking for mechanics, positioning, etc. Hence my question in post #2.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 12, 2011 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 715092)
I believe that he was. He might be asking for mechanics, positioning, etc. Hence my question in post #2.

Positioning looked fine to me. C was a little far back, but had a great angle to signal the 3. T signaled the end of time and then mirrored the successful try. L was waiting by the exit door, but will have to re-watch to see where he was for the final 3 seconds.

I suppose, after looking at it again, that L could have closed down a bit, but he had a good look at the players in his primary. T may have held his signal a bit longer than needed, but with an exciting ending, I don't think it is critical. Most people viewing the video are looking at the shooter.

Loudwhistle Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 714970)
Setting the stage for the following clip.....Game is in overtime with about 7 seconds left. Red team just got a bucket and a foul to tie the game at 60, with a free throw to come that will give them the lead. From there I'll leave it up to you fellas to do your job of breaking it down and sharing your thoughts/advice. Thanks.

YouTube - Last Second Shot Game Winner

Clark,
I watched the clip again this time focusing on officials, the only thing that I noticed is on the free throw, the trail official is not watching the three players that are in the backcourt because he's too close to the shooter. I was taught to hang back by the division line so I can see the remaining players if some are away from the front court during a free throw. The last varsity game I was working, my partner actually saw and called the foul on a player for kneeing his opponent right in the arse! This foul occurred behind the division line during a free throw! Great catch! I hope to see some more of your excellent videos like last year. It has been a great help to me to see what everybody else sees and hear how reffs (not time keepers) would call particular fouls, violations, etc. Good Luck! LW

Clark Kent Thu Jan 13, 2011 02:10pm

Thanks fellas. I just like reading your thoughts and comments.

When I put the last 3 seconds to a stop watch i consistently got just over 3.0 seconds, although it is hard to tell exactly when the ball is touched because of the camera panning out. In real time it seems pretty evident to me that the shot was released prior to the horn.

The other thing I thought you fellas might critique was where the ball was at then the timeout was called in relation to where they inbounded the ball in at or is that even a big deal?

fullor30 Thu Jan 13, 2011 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 715431)
Thanks fellas. I just like reading your thoughts and comments.

When I put the last 3 seconds to a stop watch i consistently got just over 3.0 seconds, although it is hard to tell exactly when the ball is touched because of the camera panning out. In real time it seems pretty evident to me that the shot was released prior to the horn.

The other thing I thought you fellas might critique was where the ball was at then the timeout was called in relation to where they inbounded the ball in at or is that even a big deal?

You couldn't tell where ball was inbounded. Looks like it should have been in backcourt 5-6 feet. Trail official runs in on last second clip from what appears backcourt, although there might have been pressure to inbound and he stepped back. Really can't determine.

Wondering who granted timeout? I hear whistle but C looks like he didn't have it, yet has arm up. That said, Trail doesn't appear to be moving to table signalling time.

Game played in Utah, Clark?

jophyal Thu Jan 13, 2011 03:43pm

that does seem like a LONG 3 seconds...


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