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umpmy Mon Jan 10, 2011 04:35pm

Weekend Youth Tourney Odd One
 
Hello Everyone,

Long time reader of the forum, 1st time poster.

Our h.s. hosted a 7th & 8th grade tourney this weekned, which I assigned. I did not see this play, but this morning (Monday) one of the boosters asked me about this, thought I would run it by the forum.

After a delay due to injured player, Team A is inbounding on the baseline in their backcourt. Team B is pressing trying to get back into the game, A2 running along the baseline takes the inbounds pass (confused) immediately goes up for a layup at the wrong basket, and is hammered by defender B1 (also confused). Ball goes in.


Without glancing at the rulebook or casebook I thought:

2 points for Team B, credit basket to nearest player on Team B (B1). Shoot the "and 1" at Team A's proper basket ?

My ref credited the points to Team B, but awarded a 1 & 1 to A2 at the correct basket. A2 missed the front end, the game went on . . . it had no bearing at all on the outcome, no one yelled. This is now a professional curiousity.

just another ref Mon Jan 10, 2011 04:39pm

If the foul occurred before the ball went through the basket, the ball is dead, no basket. 1 and 1 at the other end.

Back In The Saddle Mon Jan 10, 2011 04:47pm

It is not a "try" when A2 throws at B's basket. "A try for field goal is an attempt by a player to score two or three points by throwing the ball into a team’s own basket." (NFHS 4-41-2). So any foul committed against A2 during this throw is a common foul; there can be no "and 1". And, as JAR mentions above, the ball becomes dead immediately and if the ball subsequently passes through the basket, no points are scored. If A is in the bonus, we march to the other end and shoot the 1&1 (or 2).

As for how to record points scored at an opponent's basket: "If a player scores a field goal in the opponent’s basket, it is not credited to a player, but is indicated in a footnote." (NFHS 5-2-3)

bob jenkins Tue Jan 11, 2011 09:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 714222)
If the foul occurred before the ball went through the basket, the ball is dead, no basket. 1 and 1 at the other end.

And if the foul occurred after the ball went through the basket, the ball is dead so the "foul" is ignored (since it wasn't intentional or flagrant).

Indianaref Tue Jan 11, 2011 09:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 714436)
And if the foul occurred after the ball went through the basket, the ball is dead so the "foul" is ignored (since it wasn't intentional or flagrant).

Correct. In the OP, A2 can not be an airbourne shooter at their opponent's basket.

26 Year Gap Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 714439)
Correct. In the OP, A2 can not be an airbourne shooter at their opponent's basket.

Even if that seems to be A2's identity.


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