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force39 Fri Jan 07, 2011 06:24pm

Clock doesn't start
 
4 seconds left, ball inbound at midcourt, ball gets passed inbounds team A dribbles twice puts up a prayer it goes in , look up at clock still 4 seconds, then it clicks to 2 seconds, and team b calls time out. We gave them one second and the ball inbounds. It was a quick shot. Was it handled correctly.
Team A wins by 2

bob jenkins Fri Jan 07, 2011 06:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by force39 (Post 713333)
4 seconds left, ball inbound at midcourt, ball gets passed inbounds team A dribbles twice puts up a prayer it goes in , look up at clock still 4 seconds, then it clicks to 2 seconds, and team b calls time out. We gave them one second and the ball inbounds. It was a quick shot. Was it handled correctly.
Team A wins by 2

Did anyone have a count? IF so, use that. IF not, leave the clock where it was.

Gargil Mon Jan 10, 2011 08:42am

Situation Reversed
 
What if the clock started before the ball was touched? The inbounder rolls the ball and the clock is started before you chop and the player picks the ball up, 1 dribble then the horn sounds? Can you put time back on the clock? Go back and replay from the inbounds with 4 seconds on the clock? What would be the proper procedure for handling this?

bob jenkins Mon Jan 10, 2011 08:57am

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Originally Posted by Gargil (Post 714013)
What if the clock started before the ball was touched? The inbounder rolls the ball and the clock is started before you chop and the player picks the ball up, 1 dribble then the horn sounds? Can you put time back on the clock? Go back and replay from the inbounds with 4 seconds on the clock? What would be the proper procedure for handling this?

Inbound the ball from the ball location when the horn sounded, with the corrected time on the clock.

Do not "do over" the original throw-in.

Terrapins Fan Mon Jan 10, 2011 09:09am

I had a similar thing happen Friday night, end of Q1 2.2 seconds on the clock, home team with the ball for inbound. Clock doesn't start on time ( ball in, A2 dribbles 2 steps and shoots, then clock started )

End of Q2 3.5 seconds Home team with the ball for inbound, A2 gets the ball in BC, dribbles, passes to A3 I look at the clock and it hasn't started, A3 passes to A4 and A4 shoots and misses, I waved the Q to an end. I have no doubt 3.5 seconds have expired. More likely 5 seconds.

I talked to the clock operator and we didn't have any more problems the rest of the game.

I expect you will ask if the basket had gone what would I have done. I have to count it, unless my partner had a count.

BTW, home won by about 20 anyway. In a close game, what choice do I have?

bob jenkins Mon Jan 10, 2011 09:26am

Always have a count in the last 30 seconds or so of each period.

Especially when you looked and noticed the clock hadn't started.

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by force39 (Post 713333)
4 seconds left, ball inbound at midcourt, ball gets passed inbounds team A dribbles twice puts up a prayer it goes in , look up at clock still 4 seconds, then it clicks to 2 seconds, and team b calls time out. We gave them one second and the ball inbounds. It was a quick shot. Was it handled correctly.
Team A wins by 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 713334)
Did anyone have a count? IF so, use that. IF not, leave the clock where it was.

Always listen to bob.

Seeing how it's VERY likely that the pass went to the FC and the ball was likely passed and/or advanced quickly, there would be no BC count, and no CG count. Therefore, if you have no count, leave the clock at 4 seconds, and B gets the endline throw-in after their TO.

This is where the FIBA rule is exciting: B would get a FC-3PLE throw-in!

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:23am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 714019)
Always have a count in the last 30 seconds or so of each period.

Especially when you looked and noticed the clock hadn't started.

Always listen to bob.

BktBallRef Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 714017)
Inbound the ball from the ball location when the horn sounded, with the corrected time on the clock.

Do not "do over" the original throw-in.

This was one we debated several years ago. Finally, the FED clarified that there is no "do over." Administer as Bob stated.

Adam Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 714019)
Always have a count in the last 30 seconds or so of each period.

Especially when you looked and noticed the clock hadn't started.

I've had to end multiple quarters this way, although never twice in the same game. I always have a count at the end of a quarter.

deecee Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:17pm

About 4 years ago I started counting on everything in the final 10-20 seconds. i do it semi visibly like the free throw count.

26 Year Gap Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:20pm

I ended a game with a whistle that way recently. 1.2 on the clock for an inbound. It did not start. As I counted 2 after it was legally touched inbounds, I blew the whistle.


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