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BillyMac Wed Jan 05, 2011 05:33pm

What, No Red Lines, No Blue Lines ???
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 712341)
Of course, there is the center line, er, division line.

Good one. Very subtle. My nomination for "Post O' The Week".

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so cal lurker Wed Jan 05, 2011 06:27pm

Hmm . . . does anyone know how "base line" crept into the game? Anyone who's played knows the phrase, but it hardly seems an obvious expression to jump into the game.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 05, 2011 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 712368)
Hmm . . . does anyone know how "base line" crept into the game? Anyone who's played knows the phrase, but it hardly seems an obvious expression to jump into the game.

Anyone who's played has heard a coach use the term.

CMHCoachNRef Wed Jan 05, 2011 06:53pm

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 712314)
As a coach we always used baseline. As an official, the correct term is endline but I often hear both used.

In the end, it doesn't really matter since the meaning is the exact same and I have never heard any confusion/complaints as a result of the use of either.

This is absolutely true. As a player, and later as a coach, the end lines have always been referred to as the baseline. I am fairly confident that MTD is correct in that the origin came from the fact that the rectangular court has a "base" line at its bottom.

As a defender, we never wanted to give the offensive player the "baseline" (i.e. get beat to the basket along the end line). Yet, you cannot find the term "baseline" in the Rules Book.

As has been pointed out, these two terms are synonyms. When talking to fellow officials, using the term "end line" is best. When talking to coaches or players, using the term "base line" is most understood.

Some officials are very particular that we, as officials, use the proper term and it is up to the coaches to figure out the rules book (by reading it). Personally, I have far too many things about which I am concerned to be worried about this particular debate.

chseagle Wed Jan 05, 2011 07:08pm

The 3 zones of hockey: Offensive Zone, Neutral Zone, & Defensive Zone.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 712346)
Good one. Very subtle. My nomination for "Post O' The Week".

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Judtech Wed Jan 05, 2011 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 712040)
So you speak both basketball & beisbol?

I do speak BaseKetBall!

BktBallRef Wed Jan 05, 2011 09:55pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 712293)
Unfortunately, you were taught wrong. Baseball fields have foul lines and runners can establish their base path but there are no baselines in baseball.

Which is just as stupid since they're actually "fairlines." :D

bainsey Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:46am

I recently looked up both of these in NCAA, NBA, and FIBA rulebooks online.

The NBA rules uses both "baseline" and "endline." I could only find "endline" in NCAA and FIBA rules. Of course, NFHS just uses "endline."

bob jenkins Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:50am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713076)
of course, nfhs just uses "endline."

1-7-3

Adam Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:09pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 713077)
1-7-3

Beat me to it.

RookieDude Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 712378)
The 3 zones of hockey: Offensive Zone, Neutral Zone, & Defensive Zone.

C'mon eagle...how do you know that? Do they teach that in Basketball Scorer/Timer clinics?;)

...which got me to thinking...I wonder if Hockey officials ever have double or triple whistles? Do all the Hockey Officials even have whistles?

I have been part of two "triple whistles" this year...more than all of last year.:o

I stated that changing a charge call to a block is ugly...well, I guess triple whistles are right up there with that. Ugly and embarrassing.

...another off-topic thought...remember that dude that was a crazy ski jumper some years back? Wasn't his name Eagle or something like that?

...any relation chseagle?:p

bainsey Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 713077)
1-7-3

We're not talking about backboard markings here.

Adam Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713099)
We're not talking about backboard markings here.

Nope, but his point was the term is actually used in NFHS.

chseagle Fri Jan 07, 2011 04:37pm

I know about hockey due to previously working with the Tri-City Americans.

Yes the linesmen & the referee(s) all have whistles in hockey though only one whistle is normally heard.

Come on, RookieDude you should know how I got my name is due to the school name & mascot.

My actual last name has some hockey lineage in it, no basketball & no ski jumping.

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 713097)
C'mon eagle...how do you know that? Do they teach that in Basketball Scorer/Timer clinics?;)

...which got me to thinking...I wonder if Hockey officials ever have double or triple whistles? Do all the Hockey Officials even have whistles?

I have been part of two "triple whistles" this year...more than all of last year.:o

I stated that changing a charge call to a block is ugly...well, I guess triple whistles are right up there with that. Ugly and embarrassing.

...another off-topic thought...remember that dude that was a crazy ski jumper some years back? Wasn't his name Eagle or something like that?

...any relation chseagle?:p


HawkeyeCubP Fri Jan 07, 2011 04:45pm

I use endline without exception any more when talking to both partners, players, and coaches. But I also say "Score the goal" while signaling the same to the table.


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