Bad call?
 

I think so, but it happened so quick.

I had player A1 with the ball charge B1. A1 bounces off and B1 maintains her position, but when it happened, I blew on it thinking B1 was going to the floor. But B1 just took the hit and didn't move....

I thought, come on help me out here, fall.

I would loved to have held the whistle, but I didn't...what can you do? I called the charge.....

I hope it was the worst call I had but I am not sure...Hoping for a better game tonight.

I dont believe a defender HAS to fall for a p/c to be called.

Let the play completely finish as in SDF before popping.

How about a travel call against A1? (assuming she wasn't still dribbling)

Sounds like you made the right call. Defender doesn't have to get run over to be in good position

I would look at it from this perspective. What advantage did A1 gain by virtue of his/her illegal contact? If none, I would either go with a no-call or perhaps a travel if applicable.

Just from your description of the play, I would say A1 did not gain any advantage. But, that's JMO.

Sounds like perhaps a no-call was warranted, but we've all had this call that we want back.

Ashes, Ashes, We All Fall Down ...
 

Been there. Done that. I hate it when that happens.

If the defense is displaced/impeded at all then you can still make the charge call. If they really don't move or lose their ability to move and whistle goes then you better hope for understanding coaches or find another call.

Go with the charge or inadvertent whistle. If there was a travel after the contact, then go with that.

Given the choice, I would have rather held the whistle, but I reacted too quickly.

The game was very sloppy by both teams. that made it hard to officiate.

We called about 40 fouls total including a "T" ( not by me ).

it wasn't a close game about 25 points most of the night, but the turn overs, about 25 to 30 it was sloppy and we as a crew fell into it.

Tonight I had a much better game. Boys Varsity, no regrets.

Had one of those games tonight myself. After working a GV holiday tournament with some of the best teams in the state last week, the adjustment to the last 2 nights has been a bit tough. Going from 3 to 2 on the crew didn't help. Tonight 3 would have been helpful. Once one of the players in the middle of a lot of the rough play picked up #5 midway through the 3rd qtr, things improved.

A bunch of you who responded said go with a charge even though he states that the Team B player maintained her position...not displaced. So since we (the official) made a bad call by blowing the whistle too soon we are going to make up a foul on the offense? Eat crow and rule an IW and give the ball back to the offense...don't penalize someone to try to cover our mistake.

Typically, this is something we call and think about for a bit; realizing we should have held our whistle. My brain doesn't work fast enough to go through both regret and resolution before I've reported it and put the ball in play.

A1 clearly charged into B1 and the contact was significant, but B1 was a stronger player.

You've seen it, B1 is 5'7" tall and 180lbs and A1 is 4'10" and 89 lbs.

But I blew too early.

Had exact play last year in a G/V game. Put air in the whistle too early, didn't know how the girl didn't go down or at least don't know why she had not been taught to take a charge....would have made my call much easier. Fortunately, it was early in the game and long forgotten as they were the run away winner. As Rocky said, it should have been a travel.

Basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was B1 displaced or disadvantaged?

I worked a BV game last night where a player went down. He was displaced and probably went down a bit too easy, but I didn't care. Both teams decided last night to drive at every opportunity and try to go through players -- I had 6 player control fouls myself and 3 blocking fouls that would've been had the defense been a bit better.

It's likely that A1 traveled after the contact if she bounced off the defender. That's the one to get if it's there.

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Same thing here last night. A1 trying to drive between B1 and B2. There really wasn't enough room - but no displacement. A's coach harping about the lack of a blocking foul. I told him his player has to have enough room to go between them and had there been a call it would have been PC. Later in game - B2 standing in post facing A1. A1 goes up with some body lean. B2 arms straight up and is planted (he never really ever did move very well) A1's body lean causes contact on the shot. No call - again - not enough contact or displacement to call a PC and there is no way that is ever going to be a foul by B2 against the shooter.

Yep, that's a bail-out call players are looking for all the time. If they'd just try to shoot instead of draw the foul, they'd be better off.

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Don't beat yourself up to bad. Wife's team had a play over Christmas where a girl about 50 lbs ran into our 180lb center. Little girl bounced off our center and our center was called for the block. When asked for an explaination my wife was informed "Coach, your player didn't fall. If she had fallen I would have called the charge". Its times like that where it is SOOOO difficult to keep quiet as the lowly assistant.

Wow.

Ok, I MAY have said that as I buried my head in my hands......

I might have just started weeping for him.

Or for his partner....

Don't lose any sleep over the call. I used to have that "they need to fall for it to be a charge mentality". I guess now I have a "referee the defense" mentality. I've become a lot quicker to pick up two types of PCF:

1. Plays like yours where the A1 illegally contacts B1, even if B1 doesn't fall. I see this mostly when A1 lowers their shoulder to make space, illegally contacts B1 displacing them, then goes up unabated for a jumper.

2. The dribble with one arm, stiff arm the defender with the free arm play. Tweet. Offense.

I was thinking about a ms game I had a few days ago, 7th grade girls and defender who is twice the size of A1, is right up on her. As young kids,especially girls do, they are both just standing there. eventually A1 falls backward on her touchus. I call a travel. Made me think, how did she fall over? She couldn't weigh more than 80 pounds, I could have sneezed and she would have fallen. Advantage/disadvantage? Defender appeared not to move. I realize of course the level but philosophically was she disadvantaged? Would I be penalizing defender? Believe me, you can see more situations in a ms girls game than any boys varsity.

I was thinking about a ms game I had a few days ago, 7th grade girls and defender who is twice the size of A1, is right up on her. As young kids,especially girls do, they are both just standing there. eventually A1 falls backward on her tukhus. I call a travel. Made me think, how did she fall over? She couldn't weigh more than 80 pounds, I could have sneezed and she would have fallen. Advantage/disadvantage? Defender appeared not to move. I realize of course the level but philosophically was she disadvantaged? Would I be penalizing defender? Believe me, you can see more situations in a ms girls game than any boys varsity.

I hate those situations. It is an example of us blowing before the play finishes.

If you can get away with it, call a travel. If we have to stick it to the team becuase we are wrong, at least we aren't calling a foul on them.......


Will you be working the Fort Hill / Alleghany game this year ?????

No one here says they have to fall, but they should at least be displaced or impeded by the contact.