Foul on last second shot
 

End of the third quarter and the ball is passed in to A1. A1 turns to shoot and the ball is blocked and never leaves his hand. B1 fouls the airborne shooter after time expires on the horn. What procedure must we follow? Do we ignore the foul since it was after the horn? Do we still have a foul since the shooter is airborne? Thanks for the help.

shoot the shots. A foul on or by an airborne shooter, even when the ball is dead, is still a personal foul.

So, B1 stuffed A1? I have a held ball or nothing. You would have to describe in more detail what B1 did. And when.

He said A1 had his shot blocked, but he didn't say it was B1.

He will have to describe the play in greater detail then.

from what is described here unless the contact it pretty severe it sounds like a no call.

However, there is no airborne shooter in this play by definition, so unless the foul is deemed to be intentional or flagrant the contact is to be ignored by rule.

Doh! Good point.

Sorry everyone. I should have been a bit more specific. What I am wanting to know is can there be a foul after the horn for the end of a quarter or game?

Is the contact ignored if you have an airborne shooter and the foul occurs after the horn?

I am looking for a rule or case that supports this.

Thanks for the help.

If he is indeed an airborne shooter (he has to have released the shot), then yes, you can have a foul after the horn.
4-19-1 is your rule reference.

Is there a B2 in your play?

Does the horn end the period? See 6-1-2 Excp

So...you're saying A1 cannot be an airborne shooter if he never releases the ball? Ever? Really?

Hmmm, I would have thought that beginning the habitual throwing movement would be enough to designate A1 as a shooter. I would also have thought that it is not essential that the ball leave the player’s hand as a foul could prevent release of the ball.

Or was what you were getting at that when airborne A1 was prevented from releasing the try it resulted in a held ball, the ball becoming dead, thus ending the try? Thus any contact would be ignored unless it was intentional or flagrant.

Yeah, that had to be it. :)

Snaqs is saying that because NFHS rule 4-1 states that "An airborne shooter is a player who has RELEASED the ball on a try for a goal......", A1 cannot be an airborne shooter if he never releases the ball. Never! Really!


Yeah, that had to be it. :D

As Jurassic stated.....

Additionally, for the purposes of determining if it's a personal foul for contact during a dead ball, it matters whether the player is an "airborne shooter" by definition. If he doesn't release the ball before the horn sounds, the ball is dead and he is not an airborne shooter; therefore if he's contacted after the horn, it's either a T or nothing.

If A1 is fouled in the Act of Shooting by B1, but time expires before the ball is in flight, A1 will shoot free throws.

A bunch of stuff going on in this post. As I understand the rule:

1 - If a player is fouled in the act shooting they shoot free throws.

2 - If the players shot is blocked, I'm not likely to call a foul after the shot is blocked as they are no longer disadvantaged. Unless the contact is severe enough to warrant an unsportsmanlike (intentional/flagrant in Fed terms).

3 - If the whistle has not blown to end the quarter/game then the play is live.

4 - Any mild or inadvertant contact at this moment or after the whisle as a result of movement just prior is not going to get called. If their is excessive contact during a dead ball it is going to be an unsportsmanlike.

A bunch of stuff going on in this post. As I understand the rule:

1 - If a player is fouled in the act shooting they shoot free throws.

2 - If the players shot is blocked, I'm not likely to call a foul after the shot is blocked as they are no longer disadvantaged. Unless the contact is severe enough to warrant an unsportsmanlike (intentional/flagrant in Fed terms).

3 - If the whistle has not blown to end the quarter/game then the play is live.

4 - Any mild or inadvertant contact at this moment or after the whisle as a result of movement just prior is not going to get called. If their is excessive contact during a dead ball it is going to be an unsportsmanlike.

References, please.

I think he's using NATO rules.

Ah -- probably so. I didn't notice the location before.

Fixed it for ya.

Actually, the question was pretty simple. "Is it possible to have a shooting foul committed after time has expired." The answer is yes, even after picking the situation itself apart.

The rest are just questions about judgment on a hypothetical situation.

Still don't know if there was a B-2 present, but a HTBT for sure.

Ummm, yep. That had to be it. :D (Gotta stop posting late at night)

Probably Won't Work Much Longer ???
 

I always blame the nog.

Oh, it was definitely the nog. I should have had some.