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Mark Padgett Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:01pm
Jump ball or violation?
 
FED rules. With team A in team control in it's frontcourt, A1 and B1 both grab a pass at the exact same time. A1 has one of his feet in his backcourt. Choose from the following options:

A) jump ball
B) backcourt violation on team A
C) other
D) let your partner make the call ;)

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:14pm
Can Opponents Both Have Player Control At the Same Time ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty Hall (Post 711241)
Backcourt violation on team A.
Is this a trick question? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08monty.html#

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tjones1 Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:23pm
Change it around a little... what if A1 had one foot OOB?

just another ref Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:59pm
Gotta be a violation. Can't be AP.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 31, 2010 04:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 711247)
Change it around a little... what if A1 had one foot OOB?
That would be my reasoning.

The officlial(s) must decide which happened first -- the BC violation or the held ball.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 31, 2010 04:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 711241)
FED rules. With team A in team control in it's frontcourt, A1 and B1 both grab a pass at the exact same time. A1 has one of his feet in his backcourt. Choose from the following options:

A) jump ball
B) backcourt violation on team A
C) other
D) let your partner make the call ;)
B. Backcourt violation. Holding the ball is a status of the ball over time. Contacting the ball always happens before it is held.

Mark Padgett Fri Dec 31, 2010 04:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 711263)
Double violation. Treat it the same as a simultaneous double violation on a free throw---> rule 9-1PENALTIES(Section 1) 3. Dead ball and go to the AP.
How is B1 violating?

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 05:13pm
Blue Font Special ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 711263)
Double violation. Treat it the same as a simultaneous double violation on a free throw---> rule 9-1PENALTIES(Section 1) 3. Dead ball and go to the AP.
No blue font? No roll eyes smilie? Are you serious? Your citation, Rule 9-1, refers to free throw violations only, not backcourt violations.

Jurassic Referee Fri Dec 31, 2010 06:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 711267)
How is B1 violating?
Upon further consideration, B1 isn't violating. A1 violated as soon as the ball was touched. Camron gave the logical reason why there you can't have a simultaneous held ball with A1's touch. You can only have simultaneous touching by A1 & B1.

I went back and deleted my wrong post.

JugglingReferee Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 711265)
B. Backcourt violation. Holding the ball is a status of the ball over time. Contacting the ball always happens before it is held.
Exaclty. A held ball also becomes such when it prevents undue roughness. Most certainly, A always touches before undue roughness.


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