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Larks Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:53am

$3.19
 
Vent: Im in an 8 game run of 80 mile round trippers.....3.19 hurts when you get 14 MPG....anyone have a spare moped?

In all seriousness...at what point do you think about gas costs and it's impact on the avocation?

I dont
$3?
$3.50?
$4?

zm1283 Thu Dec 30, 2010 01:04am

How much do you guys get for mileage? Gas just went up to $2.89 here today. We get 40 cents/mile, so it covers the gas plus some, even at $3/gallon. We also meet our partner and only take one car 99% of the time since the schools only pay one official round trip. (Or both guys one way)

Camron Rust Thu Dec 30, 2010 01:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 710826)
Vent: Im in an 8 game run of 80 mile round trippers.....3.19 hurts when you get 14 MPG....anyone have a spare moped?

In all seriousness...at what point do you think about gas costs and it's impact on the avocation?

I dont
$3?
$3.50?
$4?

When you buy the car. There are plenty of choices that do far better.

Rich Thu Dec 30, 2010 01:22am

I don't even consider it. I don't rely on my officiating money for anything, although it subsidizes my eating and drinking after games. It's a hobby for me. It's nice when conferences provide mileage, but I don't turn down games when they (or schools) don't.

I understand why others would consider it, though.

chseagle Thu Dec 30, 2010 04:13am

$0.40 per mile isn't bad at all depending on the distance traveled.

It's only 10 cents less per mile than what the per mileage rate was for Census.

It just all depends on what type of mileage your vehicle gets as to whether or not it's good or not.

Here gas is around $3.20.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 710827)
How much do you guys get for mileage? Gas just went up to $2.89 here today. We get 40 cents/mile, so it covers the gas plus some, even at $3/gallon. We also meet our partner and only take one car 99% of the time since the schools only pay one official round trip. (Or both guys one way)


grunewar Thu Dec 30, 2010 05:13am

Never thought about it really.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 710830)
I don't even consider it. I don't rely on my officiating money for anything,...

+1

Lately, I seem to average between 50 - 80 miles round trip. While I would like to get some of the closer games, it hasn't worked out for me yet.

We get zippo, zero, nada, the null set for gas money! :(

My car avgs 34 mpg on the hwy, which is nice!

Terrapins Fan Thu Dec 30, 2010 07:14am

This week I have 4 games at the same school, it's 45 miles each way.

We get Zero for gas.

It's an hour drive there, be there 1 hour before the game starts, 1 and 1/2 hour for the game, shower, then another hour back home....

But you got to love it to do it.

chartrusepengui Thu Dec 30, 2010 07:59am

I guess I start thinking about it when I start losing money on it.

Some conferences in our area pay mileage. Not a problem. Some pay just game fee so that depends on what the fee is and how far you have to travel. Game fees range from $35 - $60 for varsity games.

Still others, have decided to not pay mileage, but have raised game fees $10/official. So, we usually take the extra $10 and give it to the driver for gas. We also rotate driving. In our area, we travel as partners regularly.

But, while I love doing this - I won't lose money to do it. I guess at that point I'd have to watch more ball on the tube. Don't know as I could sit in the stands listening to the idiots very long before losing it!!

bob jenkins Thu Dec 30, 2010 08:49am

My general rule of thumb is that the game fee (we don't get mileage fee, but if we did, I'd include it here) in $ should be equal to or greater than the round trip distance in miles.

So, if I get $57 for a varsity game, I'd travel (in general) 28.5 miles each way.

There are exceptions, of course, but I have turned down conferences where the mileage is always in excess of that.

zm1283 Thu Dec 30, 2010 08:53am

I've driven 240 miles total in the last two days going to games and have made $96 in mileage fees. That will buy almost three tanks of gas, which I haven't used in those two trips, so I'll make a little money on top of paying for my gas.

It seems like we're pretty lucky here.

RobbyinTN Thu Dec 30, 2010 09:03am

We don't get mileage here. Game fees are from $65-$90 depending on level. I do this as a hobby and a way to stay in shape so I don't worry too much about the costs of getting to and from games, etc. I don't think I have ever lost money with a game. My car gets about 27 MPG but requires premium fuel so I am paying another 20 cents a gallon on top of the already higher gas prices.

Rich Thu Dec 30, 2010 09:14am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 710856)
My general rule of thumb is that the game fee (we don't get mileage fee, but if we did, I'd include it here) in $ should be equal to or greater than the round trip distance in miles.

So, if I get $57 for a varsity game, I'd travel (in general) 28.5 miles each way.

There are exceptions, of course, but I have turned down conferences where the mileage is always in excess of that.

If I had this rule, I'd probably have about 10 schools I could actually work.

EDITED to add: I found a radius drawing tool and it's actually more like 30 schools. Those schools, though, are concentrated in only a few conferences and these conferences have schools well outside this radius (for example, one conference has a few schools within 20 miles and one that takes me 1:45 to drive to). I have asked a few commissioners to limit the schools they send me to -- one conference has an east and west division and I've asked to only work in the East. They have one of the most generous mileage allotments, though, and it's ironic that I can pick up $30 in mileage driving 10 minutes less than to another school in the big conference around here and we get no mileage there.

One suggestion I'd make to anyone who drives a lot -- get a credit card that gives significant cash back on gas purchases -- I have a BP card. I get 5% back on all BP gas purchases (right now that gets me over $2.50 back per tank) and they also are running a Loyalty Card promotion (you take your receipt inside and they give you a scratch off card you enter on the Internet) that gives back another $2 per fill-up. So for every $50 I put in right now, I'm getting back about 9%.

Andy Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:11am

Another thing to consider is that mileage that you drive that you are not reimbursed or paid for is either partially or fully tax deductible. See your acountant for details.

JRutledge Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:25am

Of course I consider it. I probably travel as much as anyone for a high school game. And I do depend on the money considering I have gone back to school and do not have the same income I did for years. But in many cases when I go to games it is not my personal expense as I share rides with others. Then again I am able to take other travel options than a car, so it saves me a lot of money.

Peace

Welpe Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:25am

I'm not paying it too much mind right now. I do this for fun though the extra coin is nice at times. This is one of the few "hobbies" where I actually get a check in return.

I make a good living in a job I don't particularly enjoy, and officiating is an escape for me. So even if I did lose money, I think I'd keep doing it.

Besides, I drive a little commuter car that gets almost 30 mpg and most of the games I work are somewhere between work and home. We also get paid mileage, currently at $0.50 a mile so we do OK.

mbyron Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:45am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 710858)
I've driven 240 miles total in the last two days going to games and have made $96 in mileage fees. That will buy almost three tanks of gas, which I haven't used in those two trips, so I'll make a little money on top of paying for my gas.

It seems like we're pretty lucky here.

You should understand that mileage reimbursement is not fuel reimbursement. The difference is that mileage covers depreciation and maintenance in addition to fuel. In most cases, the depreciation and maintenance amount to rather more than the cost of fuel.

For instance, average depreciation is $162 per 1000 miles. For your 240 miles, that would come to about $39, which would leave just $57 from your mileage fees. Depending on your vehicle, that's getting close to the cost of a tank of gas, and that doesn't factor in maintenance.

The other thing you might bear in mind is that the IRS mileage rate is 50¢/mile, and it seems you're getting 40¢/mile. The difference should be tax deductible ($24 for your current trip).

Sorry to be "Debbie Downer," but you're not likely making money off a mileage check. :(

BktBallRef Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:54am

We alway travel as a crew to out of town games, so I'm only driving on one out of three trips. Gas prices suck but it was much worse two years ago when it went to $5.

We receive a flat fee for all games which is includes travel and is determined by the state association. You get the same fee whether driving 1 mile or 60 miles. We're fortunate that we don't drive more tahn an hour to any school.

We also work varsity doubleheaders ($85). So while we may not get as much as we would if we worked two games on two nights, we also only work one night for two games and we don't have double travel for two games.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 30, 2010 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 710867)
Another thing to consider is that mileage that you drive that you are not reimbursed or paid for is either partially or fully tax deductible. See your acountant for details.

Actually, whether you get reimbursed for it or not, it would be tax deductible. The reimbursement is part of your income.

grunewar Thu Dec 30, 2010 04:19pm

Am I you? Or are you me?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 710842)
We get Zero for gas.

It's an hour drive there, be there 1 hour before the game starts, 1 and 1/2 hour for the game, shower, then another hour back home....

Same ole, same ole.

We could be twin sons of different mother's. Of course, it is the DC area.....

zm1283 Fri Dec 31, 2010 02:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 710876)
You should understand that mileage reimbursement is not fuel reimbursement. The difference is that mileage covers depreciation and maintenance in addition to fuel. In most cases, the depreciation and maintenance amount to rather more than the cost of fuel.

For instance, average depreciation is $162 per 1000 miles. For your 240 miles, that would come to about $39, which would leave just $57 from your mileage fees. Depending on your vehicle, that's getting close to the cost of a tank of gas, and that doesn't factor in maintenance.

The other thing you might bear in mind is that the IRS mileage rate is 50¢/mile, and it seems you're getting 40¢/mile. The difference should be tax deductible ($24 for your current trip).

Sorry to be "Debbie Downer," but you're not likely making money off a mileage check. :(

You're right about the first part. I'm more worried about the wear and tear/depreciation on my car from miles driven than about paying for gas.

I deduct for mileage on taxes.

amusedofficial Fri Dec 31, 2010 06:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 710838)
$0.40 per mile isn't bad at all depending on the distance traveled.

It's only 10 cents less per mile than what the per mileage rate was for Census.

It just all depends on what type of mileage your vehicle gets as to whether or not it's good or not.

Here gas is around $3.20.

Why am I not surprised you know this?

Camron Rust Fri Dec 31, 2010 06:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 711115)
Why am I not surprised you know this?

IIRC, he was a census taker. If that is the case, he would likely know it.

Rich Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:13am

The government reimbursement rate for 2010 was 50¢ per mile. This goes to 51¢ per mile in 2011. Every mile I drive for my day job (my office is in my house), including trips to the airport, are reimbursed at this rate. While I do understand depreciation and wear-and-tear on the car, I love that I get paid $26 for a round trip to the airport, which takes about 25 minutes each way.


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