A Rare Free Throw Violation
 

Don't see this called too often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kM86Q5twc

Last week in a girls varsity game I got up to 9 seconds and was about to blow my whistle when the girl released. She did this every free throw she had. I thought I was going to have to call the violation but fortunately I did not. I have yet to have to call that violation

You waited until the release to stop your count?

Advantage Disadvantage ???
 

Just exactly at what point in your count were you going to call the violation?

uh....10 seconds....what am I missing that you all seem to see

Advantage Disadvantage ...
 

Hint: I've been playing, coaching, and officiating basketball for over forty years, including thirty years officiating, and this is the first time I've ever seen the violation called. That's a lot of basketball games without seeing this particular violation called.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:putN8qC3sCT6iM:

This is the one timing violation that's typically not called at 10 seconds exactly.
1. I have a very slow count on FTs.
2. I have a very slow count on FTs.
3. If I get to 10 and the shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
4. If I get to 11 and shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
5. I have a very slow count on FTs. (I've never gone past 8)
6. If I've gotten to 15 and the shooter is just standing there, I'll think about blowing the whistle.

Seriously, I like the call in the video, as Howard is just standing there; not even close to shooting when the whistle blows.

I agree - as I said I have never seen it called nor called it myself but the question I have is I was asked at what point in the count was I going to call the violation since I had reached 9 in the count. I am try to figure out what I am missing about this rule then?

99% of the time most shooters shoot the ball before I get to 5

But if we give them 15 seconds to shoot that means that we are making our own rules up for the game. I am a slow counter so by the time I get to 10 it is probably closer to 12 or 13 seconds. I am not looking for violations to call but if you aren't going to call this one, why not give them 15 seconds to get the ball across the division line, or 15 seconds to get it inbounded, etc.

Apologies To Potter Stewart ...
 

"I know it when I see it, and the violation involved in this case is not that."

I've got up to twelve a couple of times. I honestly don't know how high I would count before I called a vilolation. I do have a limit. I just don't know what it is. Hopefully I'll know it when I get there. I just hope that I never get there.

I use a slow count, as well. And, my count ends when the player begins his/her habitual shooting motion, as opposed to on the release.

edit: "shooting motion" can be tricky for at least one reason. Sometimes, the pending FT try will be made by a player that's yet to shoot a FT yet. So, how in the heck do I really know what their 'shooting motion' looks like? Hence, I just stop counting when they raise the ball after dribbling/spinning routine. right or wrong, I've never blown for this violation.

Agreed on all accounts.

Apparently the NBA League office had warned Howard and the Magic that he was taking too long on free throws and that officials had been instructed to call it. In the video Howard already had the ball at :02 and the violation is called at :16 and he does not appear to even being close to starting his shooting motion.

In over 15 years of playing, coaching, and officiating, and watching MANY, MANY games I had NEVER seen this called until working an AAU game this summer. My partner called it and I didnt even see it because I was tying my shoe. He said the kid stepped away from the line with the ball. I was laughing saying I had never seen that actually called and that I was glad he was taking his time so that I could get myself together. It seemed kind of quick but neither the coach or player really said anything.

I think the main reason officials are reluctant to call this is because there's no advantage gained by the shooter in delaying. The clock is stopped and the rebounders are already in position along the lane. Maybe shooters who take a long time to shoot are just using the time to picture their technique in their mind as some kind of mental tool to help themselves make a better shot. I think I've called it once or twice in my career and only because the time was excessive.

THERE'S the problem. Kids are so used to having us wait until they tie their shoes, that in this case, the kid was waiting for you to tie YOURS.

We should all try the FIBA rule: 5 seconds, not 10 seconds like in NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA.

MTD, Sr.

Are those metric seconds?

8-1-4

The TRY for goal shall be made within 10 seconds after the ball has been placed at the disposal of the free thrower at the FT line.


4-41-3

The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the RELEASE of the ball.

The above rules are what some of the officials may have been hinting toward.

+1

I have never called it...only seen it called once in a game I was working.

Small college game..A1 is fouled while shooting, first free throw, no problem.
He was given the ball for the second attempt, all he did was keep bouncing the ball and looking over to my partner at trail. It soon became apparent that this player had no intent of shooting the ball and was waiting for the 10 second call.

My partner obliged him and the game continued....

If your team is tired....

The start of the try is irrelevant. The FT must be "made" (not started) by 10 seconds. If it is not released by 10 seconds, it is a violation (if you choose to call it).

9-1-3-a ...
 

After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free thrower:
a. He/she shall throw within 10 seconds to cause the ball to enter the basket
or touch the ring before the free throw ends.

Called this once in a HS rec game. Ugly game, losers down by fifteen and playing with only three due two foul outs and an ejection. The winners are shooting a FT and clearly take more than 10 seconds.

I blow the violation and find out afterwards that shooter is mentally handicapped, and was playing for one of the few times all season because they were up by fifteen with a two man advantage.

The handicap was not visible, but I still felt pretty stupid ...

I have called this once, in a varsity game.

Just like Bob Delaney, I got to 13 seconds before I made the call.

I'm not worried about 10 or 11. But 13. TWEET!!!

Team A Coach yelled, "I told you someobdy was gonna call it on you!" :)

Saw this called in one of my very first games as an official. Thank God I learned from here that we should be very, very loose on this violation.

There was a kid who had an elaborate routine including passing the ball around his body a couple times that I was hoping would result in 10. He was a terrible FT shooter and a hothead who took some tea from time to time. More than a 10 count, I was hoping he'd fumble it away while he was showing off.