Technical foul situation
 

Between the first and second quarter, A1 has a disagreement with his coach, removes his jersey in the bench area, tosses the jersey to his coach, leaves the bench area and goes to the locker room which is across the floor from the bench. The officials called a technical foul on the player for removing his jersey and also a direct technical on the coach for allowing a team member to leave the bench area for an unauthorized reason to demonstrate resentment or disgust (Rule 10-5-5) The second quarter started with four technical free throws and a division line throw-in for Team B. Were the officials correct?

The player definitely receives a T for removing the jersey.

10-3-6i states the player receives a T for leaving.

10-5-5 states that the coach receives one, too.

Yes.
10-3-6h
10-5-5

Although I probably wouldn't have called the T for the player leaving the bench area.

By rule, I think so.

If the official knows the facts as presented in the question, iI'd try to only have one T (once A1 gives his jersey to the coach, he's no longer a team member.)

Really??

Agree. Short of tackling the player, I don't see what else the coach could have done.

Give the player a "T" under R10-3-6(h).

The new rule (10-5-5) says that the head coach can't let team members leave the bench area for an unauthorized reason. Sooooo....authorize it.

In the COMMENTS ON THE 2010-11 RULES REVISIONS for 10-5-5, it also says team members are required to remain on the court or in the bench area while the game is in progress until each quarter or extra period has officially ended. This happened after the end of a quarter, didn't it?

Don't be a plumber.

Why is he no longer a team member?

I would not have given two Ts for the same incident. Maybe I am wrong in not doing so but I guess I would have missed it.

It's definitely two T's. The question is should there be a third T?

What is the definition of team member?

Without looking, it's bench personnel in uniform eligible to become a player.
This guy had fouled out, he was already not eligible, so why did handing the jersey to the coach make him no longer a team member?

Kid gets pissed at his coach, tosses jersey at him, and leaves.

I doubt I'd T anything. He's not playing again for that coach. Let him walk off and get the quarter started. Why punish the team.

Are you kidding?? This one's automatic. I'd probably just hit him with one and be done with it. And I'd bet my bottom dollar the kid is back playing next game.

While it does say that, I think that it does so without considering DQ's. Someone who is DQ'd is still a team member....even though they can no longer play.

I agree. That was my whole point. Removing the jersey also would not relieve him of the responsibilities of a team member.

I'm still calling just one T here (for taking off the jersey). The "resentment and disgust" rule was meant, IMO, to apply to the players' attitude towards officials rather than coaches.
If it looks like the player is quitting (which is how I read the OP), I'm not going to punish the team further.

Whether he plays the next game, or even the next quarter, is not material.

There was no foul out mentioned in the OP. Just the player and coach having words, the kid removing his jersey and handing it to the coach, then the kid walking off. To me, and I think this is what Bob was implying as well, that appears to be the kid quitting the team. In which case, I'm going to limit the overall penalty to a single T.

Agreed. I've never understood the mentality of wanting to assess multiple Ts for a single act. There are obviously times where it's necessary or required (e.g., coming off the bench to block the last second three-point shot, or a fight situation). But if the kid is throwing a tantrum, and runs afoul of multiple sportsmanship rules, why would any reasonable official want to hand out more than a single T? :confused:

Yup. Let the punishment fit the crime. And in this particular situation, the coach didn't commit a crime. All he really did was ...coach.

OK, I crossed over this thread with the DQ thread. But I still don't think the fact that a player was no longer in uniform would change things. If he curses the ref on the way out, I think you would certainly T him again for that.

Sure, and if frogs had wings....

With regard to 10-5-5, what is an authorized reason? Can the coach send a player to the locker room to get a roll of tape? Or, in this case, can the coach
kick the player off the team (or accept his resignation from it) without penalty.
I lean toward no technical in this case. Also, apparently the situation in the OP was pretty conspicuous, but in most game situations player could do a lot of coming and going from the bench area without being noticed by the officials.

Upon further review, I don't agree with myself.

The incident happened between quarters. The player is bench personnel as JAR pointed out. Give A1 a "T" under R10-4-1(h) and give the head coach an indirect "T" as per R10-4PENALTY Art.1

But that's it. No further "T"S for the walk-off.

Bad self. Bad, bad self.