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BillyMac Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:44pm

Resumption Of Play, Delay Of Game ???
 
I was watching the second game of a holiday tournament varsity doubleheader today. Near the end of the halftime intermission only one team is on the court. The other team is nowhere to be seen. Umpire, a buddy of mine, says to me, "I guess that we'll have to put the ball down on the floor to start the second half". I told him that I didn't think that we could do that at the start of the second half if one of the teams wasn't in the gymnasium.

Now that I'm home, I've been trying to read through my rulebook, and casebook, to find out if I was right. I can't find a rule, or an interpretation, that tells us not to put the ball on the floor when one of the teams isn't in the gymnasium. Did I dream up this interpretation, or am I not doing a good job of finding it in the rulebook, or casebook?

refiator Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:54pm

This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.

Judtech Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:09pm

Try 7-5-1. I am also thinking there is a 1 minute time limit but can't think of it off the top of my head. I will edit if/when I find it.(10-5-1a)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refiator (Post 708476)
This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.


In Connecticut there is only a U, right Billy, ;)?

MTD, Sr.

Welpe Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 708480)
Try 7-5-1. I am also thinking there is a 1 minute time limit but can't think of it off the top of my head. I will edit if/when I find it.(10-5-1a)

Very close. 10-1-5a.

BktBallRef Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 708472)
I was watching the second game of a holiday tournament varsity doubleheader today. Near the end of the halftime intermission only one team is on the court. The other team is nowhere to be seen. Umpire, a buddy of mine, says to me, "I guess that we'll have to put the ball down on the floor to start the second half". I told him that I didn't think that we could do that at the start of the second half if one of the teams wasn't in the gymnasium.

Now that I'm home, I've been trying to read through my rulebook, and casebook, to find out if I was right. I can't find a rule, or an interpretation, that tells us not to put the ball on the floor when one of the teams isn't in the gymnasium. Did I dream up this interpretation, or am I not doing a good job of finding it in the rulebook, or casebook?

You're correct. Resuming play is only used when both teams are on the floor. If one team is not on the floor when the intermission ends, it's a technical foul.

Quote:

Originally Posted by refiator (Post 708476)
This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.

The referee is responsible for making sure the teams are notified at the 3 minute mark. That's where our responsibilities end. It's the coach's responsibility to have his team back on the floor. I may tell the scorer that he/she may want to go find their team but I'm not sending my U1 or U2 to go to a locker room to get a team. We're not babysitters.

refiator Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:38am

The referee is responsible for making sure the teams are notified at the 3 minute mark. That's where our responsibilities end. It's the coach's responsibility to have his team back on the floor. I may tell the scorer that he/she may want to go find their team but I'm not sending my U1 or U2 to go to a locker room to get a team. We're not babysitters.[/QUOTE]

I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul. It won't get any prettier after that.

BktBallRef Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:43am

Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.

refiator Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:47am

I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.

referee99 Sun Dec 19, 2010 01:39am

Saw a playoff game last year.
 
Officials came back on to the floor with maybe 30 seconds left on the clock, when Team B wasn't there at 0:00, called a Technical foul. No 1 minute on the clock. No getting the timer to initiate an "SOS" via horn soundings. I was not impressed. Would have felt they were in a stronger position if the crew was back on the floor earlier working to get the team back.

Camron Rust Sun Dec 19, 2010 04:16am

Resuming play is not used following halftime. Resuming play is when both teams are present and have been present but not responding to the signals to resume play.

After halftime, the team has 1 full minute after halftime expires before the T is charged. Until that time has elapsed, nothing is done.

See 10-1-5:
Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start either half.

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball.....See 7-5-1....for the resumption of play procudure to use.....The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations

The specific situations referred to in part "b" of this rule only apply on timeouts, the intermission between the 1st and 2nd quarters, and the intermissions between the 3rd and 4th quarters. Not the halftime intermissions. Part "a" covers the return from halftime. If part b were to apply after halftime, part "a" wouldn't need to exist and couldn't be reached.

BillyMac Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:10am

No Ménage à Trois In Connecticut ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 708505)
In Connecticut there is only a U, right Billy.

We do have U2 here in the Constitution State. I just bought one of their CD's a few weeks ago.

BillyMac Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:15am

10-1-5 ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 708525)
10-1-5a.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 708549)
10-1-5.

Thanks guys. That's the citation that I was looking for.

BillyMac Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:22am

Misty Water-Colored Memories Of The Way We Were ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by refiator (Post 708536)
I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul.

Agree. Start the second half with a jump ball the way God, and Dr. Naismith, intended it to be. Wait a minute. Sorry. I was having another flashback to the seventies.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...8f5e&index=ch1

BktBallRef Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by refiator (Post 708539)
I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.

Actually, the rules require you to take action at the 3:00 mark. :)

After that, the ball's in the coach's corner. Just do your job and let the chips fall where they may.

Adam Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by refiator (Post 708536)
I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul. It won't get any prettier after that.

Not me: I'm only doing what's reasonable. I'm not bending over backwards to avoid any T.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 708570)
We do have U2 here in the Constitution State. I just bought one of their CD's a few weeks ago.


Now you are being a smarta$$ like Andy and Mark, Jr., :D.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 708575)
Agree. Start the second half with a jump ball the way God, and Dr. Naismith, intended it to be. Wait a minute. Sorry. I was having another flashback to the seventies.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...8f5e&index=ch1


Sounds good to me.

MTD, Sr.

Judtech Sun Dec 19, 2010 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 708525)
Very close. 10-1-5a.

Yeah, I knew that but I was just testing the board!!!:p Thanks for the catch.

BILLY Hopefully it was their earlier stuff. I have some old imports on vinyl from them as well!!

As a part time assistant it is MY responsibility to tell the head coach how much time is left for half time. I know that if I don't let her know I will not be getting dinner (or anything else for that matter!) after the game. Its not like assistant coaches or managers have a lot of other responsibilities at half time.

bob jenkins Sun Dec 19, 2010 06:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 708549)
Resuming play is not used following halftime.

I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)

BillyMac Sun Dec 19, 2010 07:00pm

2010-2011 NFHS Rulebook ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 708634)
I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)

NFHS 4-38: RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in
play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout
or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second
half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a
technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

NFHS 10-1-5: A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being
ready when it is time to start either half.
b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.

Camron Rust Sun Dec 19, 2010 07:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 708634)
I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)

If you had quoted my entire post, you'd have realized that i was talking about when a team is not present when halftime ends.

I said: Resuming play is not used following halftime. Resuming play is when both teams are present and have been present but not responding to the signals to resume play.

RPP is not used following halftime if the reason is that a team is not present (the topic of this thread).

bob jenkins Mon Dec 20, 2010 08:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 708641)
If you had quoted my entire post, you'd have realized that i was talking about when a team is not present when halftime ends.

I said: Resuming play is not used following halftime. Resuming play is when both teams are present and have been present but not responding to the signals to resume play.

RPP is not used following halftime if the reason is that a team is not present (the topic of this thread).

But, in NCAA, it's not used at the start of the second half of any extra period EVEN IF a team is present in the bench area.

Contrast NCAA 4-56 with FED 4-38

CMHCoachNRef Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 708538)
Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.

We just had the situation this past Saturday night. We got out to the floor at about the 2:30 mark (in Ohio -- Central Ohio, anyway -- it is customary for game management to get us at the 3:00 mark) of the halftime intermission. The home team was already on the floor, but no sign of the visitors. I just tracked down game management to get the visiting team.

They returned to floor -- on the sprint -- just as the second horn was sounding. Naturally, the home coach was requesting that the ball be put into play. We waited until the visiting team's bench personnel got off of the floor and we started the second half.

The game ended up being a two point game. I am really happy that we were able to wait the extra couple seconds (as the rules allow) for us to resume the second half. The rest of the game would have been a mess had we been forced to start the second half with a technical -- which we would have had to do had another 50 seconds or so gone by.....

Rich Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:00am

In Wisconsin, it's usually someone at the table who notifies us and the 2 teams at 3:00. In this situation, I would simply ask that person if the teams had been notified. If not, I'm asking them to go do it and will give the team a reasonable amount of time to come out -- I'm likely not adding time back to the clock, though, as one of the coaches could certainly look at a watch when leaving the gym.

I'm not chasing after the teams after this and after a reasonable delay would assess a technical foul.


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