Spot throw in. A1 inbounding ball and accidentally drops it and it rolls outside of the 3-foot wide area. A1 retrieves ball and returns to throw-in spot and completes throw-in within the five seconds. Would you call a violation or just blow the whistle (similar to a player losing the ball during a free throw attempt) and have a "do-over." Would it make a difference in how you handled it if B1 was applying inbounds pressure?

Thanks,

Z

Accidentally or intentionally...........
 

sounds like a violation to me. If a player accidentally steps on the line, you will call a violation then right?

The only way I could see not calling a violation, would be if A1 never had control of the ball. Other than that, violation all the way.

Peace

If A1 is able to keep some part of his foot over the 3-foot area and reach the ball and the ball has not touched inbounds, there is no violation. If A1 does not keep a foot over the area or the ball touches inbound, violation.

We were told to handle this differently by our state

1. If the fumble was a result of the exchange from offical to thrower....Blow it dead and start again

2. If the fumble was after the exchange, If it is a fumble (not deception) and the throw recovered the ball and came back to the spot(while the thrower and ball are still oob) and released before the 5 sec...legal play

Hmmm.
 

Rut,
Gotcha!
...<b>Over</b> the line.
mick

Maybe Rut was refering to FIBA rules?

Under FIBA, the line is always considered to be part of the area of the court that would cause a violation.

In other words, if you are inbounding the ball, the line is part of the playing area. If the ball is inbounds, the line os part of out of bounds. When attempting a 3, the line is part of the two point area. When lining up for free throws, the lane lines are part of the restricted area.

Sounds confusing, but is actually very easy to intepret and officiate.

On the line.
 

If a player steps <b>on the line</b>, they are Out of bounds, in the lane and shot a 2 point try if feet or other parts of the body touches it. I was not talking about on a throw in. If you would call a player touching the line that was unintentional in those examples a violation, you would call that a violation. In this case, a violation should be called for something that is accidental or intentional. And yes if you are at many courts, if you touch the line you will be on the court. :)

Peace

Oz,the boundary lines are always out-of-bounds under FED and NCAA rules.It is legal to step on the line when making a throw in because the thrower in is still OOB.That was mick's point.Similarly,the center(10 second)line is always considered part of the back-court,no matter which way you're going.

I've seen this interp before (but I can't recall where).

I've always wondered how it reconciled with 9-2-1.

After all, if it's legal to go after the ball, then return, why is it an immediate violation if the player leves the spot holding the ball -- the player might be planning to return to the spot before releasing the ball.

Just my guess,

no intent to gain an advantage (if it is a legitimate fumble)by leaving the spot.

going with the concept of a player may always recover a fumble.

Like I said, Just a SWAG.

Re: Accidentally or intentionally...........
 

I know there are many different opinions regarding what signal to use for this violation. Any thoughts?

Re: Re: Accidentally or intentionally...........
 

Whistle...open hand up....point to spot with index finger and sweep it away from the spot....it's on the chart. On the old chart I have here at work it is #17 "Free throw, desiginated spot, or other violation".

If there was pressure....It would be a violation(in my opinion)....No pressure.....I would have a hard time calling a violation.

No easy answer

AK ref SE

The only way..............
 

I am not calling a violation if a player never gained possession (not by rule, but in reality). Now if a player has possession of the ball and accidentally fumbles or drops the ball, I am calling violation if they violate the principles of the throw-in spot. Now if they never have the ball and cannot get a hold of it, that is another story.

I think it is not our job to give breaks if a player is clumbsy or has no skills with the ball. That is the job of the coach to make that determination.

Just one opinion.

Peace

I have to agree with PAULH1, It is not a violation to retrieve a FUMBLE.

That is true for a ball that is inbounds. However, I don't think it excuses the designated spot restrictions. If they can recover the ball and not violate any other rule, then yes, they may retrieve the fumble.

I think this has been ruled on by the powers above. Sorry i can't give you the reference.

Two points:

1. On a free throw, we are authorized to blow dead a fumbled ball, and start over. Why not on a throw-in?

2. What if another player stepped out of bounds and recovered the ball and threw it to the thrower-in? What about a bench player, or an opponent? A coach or a score table person?

My thoughts...The fumble on a throw-in may be induced by defensive pressure. A1 starts to throw the ball but retracts it as the defense cuts off the intended pass. A1 fumbles it. Caused by the defense. Why would we give A another chance when it was good defense that caused it. If it looks like the throwin will be unsucessful, A1 could, in order to get another chance on a throwin, "purposely fumble" the ball.

On a FT, it's just clumsy hands and there is no defense. There is no potential advantage to fumbling the ball.

I'm not too sure....thinkig on my feet....Unless it is still within reach of the box, throwin violation. If it goes that far from the box, I'll either judge it a throw, albeit a bad one, or the player will have left the box. Just as we allow the thrower A1 to dribble, we must expect A1 to dribble without bouncing it off their foot.

If it could have been grabbed by the player and thrown in when an out-of-bounds non-player grabs the ball, I'll whistle and give a new throwin...perhaps with an instruction to not touch the ball unless there is a whistle. If it is a player, it will either be a throw-in violation or a delay of game for reaching through the plane...perhaps a T.

Careful here!
 

Rule 7-6-3
The Opponent(s)... until the ball has been released.... ;)

Re: Careful here!
 

...on a throwin pass.

If it was a fumble, it was not a pass. The opponents may not reach through and grab a fumble.

Re: Re: Careful here!
 

Camron,
I agree with the premise, but cannot find a source.
Are we to assume a fumble, assume a pass since the ball had started to be passed, or do we judge a fumble because it was that too. I see nothing I can take to the bank. :)

We make judgement calls all game. This is no different, if we judge a fumble, then he may retrieve the ball. If we judge he/she started to pass and could not control the ball because the player changed their mind, then its a bad pass.