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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 707211)

The definition of blocking seems to fit pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 707244)

What make you say this? Tripping from behind seems to fit the definition pretty well.

4-7-1: Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of
an opponent with or without the ball.

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 707274)

At the end of all the fine responses, I guess I'd say it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'll go with the AP arrow on this one.

No need go 6 - 1/2 dozen or AP, Welpe has been trying to tell us all afternoon that it is a block. I agree. The definition in 4-7-1 defines it exactly. Why not use the correct mechanic for a block which is the correct definition of what happened?

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 707252)

:DNaw, it's just another item on the long list of things that I could give a damn less about. :D

Everybody in the gym knows why the foul was called anyway.

Apparently it's far more important to know this than the other incorrect interps that come from his association.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 707289)

Apparently it's far more important to know this than the other incorrect interps that come from his association.

Word! :D

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 707288)

Thanks Scratch...now where do I send that check? ;)

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 707274)

The difference I was hoping to hear was one which might solve the occasional protest of the offending team's coach when he says, "A BLOCK??? He wasn't even in front of him!!!" Or, "A PUSH??? He didn't even touch him with his hands!!!" (Even worse, "He didn't mean it...c'mon, let 'em play out there!!!")
At the end of all the fine responses, I guess I'd say it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'll go with the AP arrow on this one.

Nothing you signal is going to change that response. If they feel you should have have made the call the signal is not ultimately going to change that. This is why I say what they did rather than just give a signal. Not saying it is fullproof, just knows that it gives my description of the play. I tend to not get asked what they did because I gave the answer while reporting.

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 707274)

Whichever mechanic is used -- and, as your relies seem to say, both seem to fit the circumstance -- a brief, verbal word of clarification, "Tripping" along with either signal should suffice to clear up the coach's unbiased, objective, neutral, calmly expressed concern.
I thank all respondents who responded for your responsive responses.

And if it does not clarify, I would not worry about it. Coaches are never satisfied if they feel you kicked the call.

When the foul is from behind I have always called a block if it was done with a part of the body below the waist and a push if it was using part of the body above the waist. I may be wrong on that but it is how I have been calling it for years.

Robby

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Originally Posted by RobbyinTN (Post 707308)

I think that's a very wise way to do it.

I think a better question is why doesn't the NFHS just go ahead and add a tripping signal? That and a hit to the head signal. :confused:

Both signals are clear, concise, more descriptive of what happened on the play plus they give information that is helpful to both fans and the coach.

Just to add an element of insanity. If this is FIBA and there is no other defender between them and the basket the call is "unsportsmanlike foul". Merry Christmas!

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 707179)

There is a trip signal in both NCAA mechanics. ;)

Peace

The signal to which Jeff is referring is used as the Kicking signal for a Violation for both Men's and Women's and as a Kicking/Tripping signal for a foul is for Women's only. Women's foul signals that the Men's do NOT USE include: Hit to the Head, Hook/Wrap, and my favorite, Kneeing.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 707246)

Does it really make that much difference?

Nah. Just an interesting omission.

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Originally Posted by RobbyinTN (Post 707308)

Hmm....I think I like that rule of thumb.

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 707253)

Reaching in? :D

Nope - "Over The Back!!" :D

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 707366)

Nope - "Over The Back!!" :D

I called with a first year official the other night and he called an "over the back" foul and then when he reported to the table he gave some weird mechanic that looked like a tiger raising it claws to indicate "over the back" :eek: At half time I politely told him we didn't use that mechanic here and that a simple "push" is sufficient :D

It Was A Graveyard Smash ...

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Originally Posted by RobbyinTN (Post 707367)

I called with a first year official the other night and he called an "over the back" foul and then when he reported to the table he gave some weird mechanic.

Did he look like this?

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...01e4&index=ch1