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How do you folks feel about this, as a general practice?
A-1 shoots, B-2 makes advantageous contact on A-1, official holds his whistle, ball rolls off the rim, official whistles the foul. Agree, disagree, or gray area? |
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A foul is a foul. Call the damn thing the same at both ends of the court from the beginning to the end of the game. And don't think so damn much. Note:intended for everyone, not just bainsey. |
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Why does it matter what happens after this? |
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Bainsey: Reading your play reminds me of the baseball umpiring tape called: "See a Balk. Call a Balk." My advice to you in this play is: "See a foul, call a foul." MTD, Sr. |
It is a factor. I would not say it is "the" factor. But it certainly is a factor. And anyone says you call fouls without knowing something about the result of the contact (which does not have necessarily have to do with the ball going in the basket is lying or does not have very good judgment IMO). And yes it usually is a bigger factor on marginal contact. ;)
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Put me down for not having good judgment then, because I ain't lying when I say that if B2 fouls A1, every official in the world should call the damn foul imo. The contact may have been marginal but the contact was definitely illegal, not incidental. Bainsey flat out told us that when he told us that the defender gained an advantage through the contact. You'd really allow a defender to gain an advantage through a foul? I can see waiting to see if the contact actually gave the defender an advantage or not, and ignoring the contact if you felt that there was no advantage gained. But when we are told that there was absolutely no doubt that an advantage was gained? Lah me......we just ain't gonna agree on that one. |
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I did not say I would pass on a foul that I clearly think is a foul. I said that I judge contact based on a lot of factors. I will put it in another context. There is a lot of contact on rebounds in many aspects of the game. I know that I judge the contact on those plays based on what happened to the player and the result of the play. Unless the play is not rough or not basketball related, I will factor in things like did the player end up with the ball? Did the player keep his balance? What other types of contact did we allow to take place in that game? If I can do that in that situation, why are the shots result totally off limits. And yes, the rebounding foul philosophy is taught at many camps and by many officials to judge if advantage or disadvantage took place. So yes we will just have to disagree on this, because I always consider the result. Even in the NCAA's usage of absolutes are not in the rulebook, but a guideline used to call a foul. And the result of the play is often the reason for the absolute to determine a foul. Peace |
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He created a hypothetical situation and said that B1 gained advantage by contacting A1. That's a foul and that's the scenario he setup. He could have simply asked the question, "When a shooter is fouled, do you wait and see if the basket is good before making the call?" I'm sure you'll come back with some stupid BS reply like you have for over 10 years but when somebody asks a question and says a foul occurred, then a foul occurred. |
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Or are you saying there can be advantage and no foul? |
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Almost every game I officiate, is filmed. Coaches bring film to our executive board all of the time complaining about EVERYTHING, 5 second closely guarded, fouls, carries. EVERYTHING.
If you see it, call it. If you don't in time you will hear about it. |
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