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grunewar Wed Dec 08, 2010 09:04pm

I gotta tell ya.....
 
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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 706297)
All JV games are still 2-man. Which makes the transition period between JV and V pretty awkward.

I did two-man BJV last night between two big schools and find it easier doing three-man V. Two-man between good F or JV teams can be tough IMO.

Welpe Thu Dec 09, 2010 01:43am

From what I understand, many districts around here use three whistle but there are also some that use two. Same with some private schools.

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 706297)
Kingsman: Your tag line verifies the use of 2-man in SoCal. Not always true in 3-man. :)

I've heard this before. What is the meaning behind that phrase?

zm1283 Thu Dec 09, 2010 02:08am

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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 706195)
Mostly 2-person in my little corner of Missouri.

I'm in the same corner as you.

I said before I wasn't sure about the rest of Missouri, but I do know in St. Louis and Kansas City that most of the larger schools use 3 officials for varsity games. Those officials also only work the varsity games and they have two others that work the JV games if they're the same night. Around here we work both the JV and varsity games, usually with just two officials.

cmhjordan23 Thu Dec 09, 2010 02:23am

In Wisconsin only 2 required until postseason. Sometimes a crew of two will bring a third official. They need to get some 3 man in before playoffs. They just split the two checks between the three of them.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:05am

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Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 706327)
In Wisconsin only 2 required until postseason. Sometimes a crew of two will bring a third official. They need to get some 3 man in before playoffs. They just split the two checks between the three of them.

In VT, the state has 3 in all playoff games. So, they require schools based on enrollment to have 3 on the crew for a certain number of games. Some schools may elect to have more than the minimum. It is pretty foolhardy to not have a requirement like this and to then expect officials to convert to a new system in the playoffs IMO. Here in FL, I believe there is a minimum for each school. I am not going to try to figger it out, though.

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:32am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 706267)
Have not done any BV with 2. Have done a few GV with 3. No JV with 3. Pay difference is slightly more for 2. All tournaments and post-season have 3 on the crew.

This makes me curious; are there some schools that use 3 for boys and 2 for girls?

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:34am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 706323)
I've heard this before. What is the meaning behind that phrase?

It's just another way of saying to be outside the player on the endline. When he turns to you to take the ball, his a$$ is facing the glass.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 706364)
This makes me curious; are there some schools that use 3 for boys and 2 for girls?

All I can tell you is that in my primary association, I have yet to see 3 on a crew in a GV game. And I have yet to see [with the exception of a small private school with a smaller court] 2 on a crew in a BV game. In my secondary association, there are always 3 assigned to a varsity game.

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:14am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 706382)
All I can tell you is that in my primary association, I have yet to see 3 on a crew in a GV game. And I have yet to see [with the exception of a small private school with a smaller court] 2 on a crew in a BV game. In my secondary association, there are always 3 assigned to a varsity game.

That's interesting; wonder how long it'll be before someone considers this a Title IX violation.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:16am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 706386)
That's interesting; wonder how long it'll be before someone considers this a Title IX violation.

I am not going to be 'that guy'.

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:21am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 706387)
I am not going to be 'that guy'.

Ah, come on. Actually, I would expect it from someone on the fan/parent/coaching side. I could honestly see the lawsuit going either way.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:30am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 706389)
Ah, come on. Actually, I would expect it from someone on the fan/parent/coaching side. I could honestly see the lawsuit going either way.

When the state was going to cut schedules last year, excepting football, that is precisely what prevented it from implementation. There might be games that DO have 3 [G] and some with 2 [B] that I don't know about since I do not see the master schedule. In my 4 years of varsity ball, I have yet to hear "We should have had 3 on this game" on the girls side. I have heard it plenty on the boys side when a crew of 2 was assigned.

rsl Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:31am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 706364)
This makes me curious; are there some schools that use 3 for boys and 2 for girls?

Utah has five divisions, 1A through 5A. 4A and 5A boys varsity use three man. 1A, 2A, and 3A varsity and all sub-varsity use two man.

Everything is two man on the girl's side.

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:34am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 706392)
When the state was going to cut schedules last year, excepting football, that is precisely what prevented it from implementation. There might be games that DO have 3 [G] and some with 2 [B] that I don't know about since I do not see the master schedule. In my 4 years of varsity ball, I have yet to hear "We should have had 3 on this game" on the girls side. I have heard it plenty on the boys side when a crew of 2 was assigned.

Agreed, and if the lawsuit breaks on the side of allowing the difference, I would expect more areas to follow suit. I would at least expect to see more areas introduce 3-whistle for boys while continuing to use 2 for girls. Not sure we'll see many go backwards and move from 3 to 2 for girls, though.

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:34am

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Originally Posted by rsl (Post 706393)
Utah has five divisions, 1A through 5A. 4A and 5A boys varsity use three man. 1A, 2A, and 3A varsity and all sub-varsity use two man.

Everything is two man on the girl's side.

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that.


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