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We usually discuss this every season, I was wondering how many still use crew of 2 officials for varsity competition. In my area of Pennsylvania all varsity contests are 3 man (women) crews. We are actually not permitted to start a game is less than 3. (we must use a JV official)

What district are you in the PIAA ????

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I am in District 10. U?

Most of WI is still 2 person.

I'm not sure about the rest of Missouri, but around here only about 18 schools use three officials. They are all in one of two conferences that use three, and even then some of those schools only use two in non-conference games.

CO is pretty much universally 3; with some small private schools providing the exceptions to prove the rule.

In New Hampshire we still use 2 man until playoffs...at least that is for the majority of the state.

Mostly 2-person in my little corner of Missouri.

I'm hearing reports that the economy has affected the finances of many L.A. area schools so much lately, the use of 3 man crews for for varsity games in that area is longer the norm. And, not only are 2 man crews being used, but game fees have dropped from 75 to 50 per official.

Is that real US currency or Arniescript?

"Dear Referee, the State of California owes you $50 for services rendered. We thank you for your patience in not submitting this for US currency until January 1, 2020."

The Land Of Steady Habits ...
 

My comments apply to both boys and girls games. 95% of regular season varsity games are two person games. All subvarsity games are two person games. Sometimes we'll use three officials in holiday tournament games, or in games that involve big city powerhouses. Some, but not all, conference tournament finals are three person. State tournament games below the quarterfinals are all two person assignments. Quarterfinals on up are all three person games. Someday we'll figure that it's the 21st century.

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Have not done any BV with 2. Have done a few GV with 3. No JV with 3. Pay difference is slightly more for 2. All tournaments and post-season have 3 on the crew.

All 2 person for all levels here in my area of sunny SoCal, the exception being some holiday tournaments and quarter-finals and beyond for the playoffs

Kingsman: Your tag line verifies the use of 2-man in SoCal. Not always true in 3-man. :)

In my part of Indiana all V games are 3-man. I still hear some rumors about smaller rural teams using 2-man but I haven't seen it for a couple of years.

All JV games are still 2-man. Which makes the transition period between JV and V pretty awkward.

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I did two-man BJV last night between two big schools and find it easier doing three-man V. Two-man between good F or JV teams can be tough IMO.

From what I understand, many districts around here use three whistle but there are also some that use two. Same with some private schools.

I've heard this before. What is the meaning behind that phrase?

I'm in the same corner as you.

I said before I wasn't sure about the rest of Missouri, but I do know in St. Louis and Kansas City that most of the larger schools use 3 officials for varsity games. Those officials also only work the varsity games and they have two others that work the JV games if they're the same night. Around here we work both the JV and varsity games, usually with just two officials.

In Wisconsin only 2 required until postseason. Sometimes a crew of two will bring a third official. They need to get some 3 man in before playoffs. They just split the two checks between the three of them.

In VT, the state has 3 in all playoff games. So, they require schools based on enrollment to have 3 on the crew for a certain number of games. Some schools may elect to have more than the minimum. It is pretty foolhardy to not have a requirement like this and to then expect officials to convert to a new system in the playoffs IMO. Here in FL, I believe there is a minimum for each school. I am not going to try to figger it out, though.

This makes me curious; are there some schools that use 3 for boys and 2 for girls?

It's just another way of saying to be outside the player on the endline. When he turns to you to take the ball, his a$$ is facing the glass.

All I can tell you is that in my primary association, I have yet to see 3 on a crew in a GV game. And I have yet to see [with the exception of a small private school with a smaller court] 2 on a crew in a BV game. In my secondary association, there are always 3 assigned to a varsity game.

That's interesting; wonder how long it'll be before someone considers this a Title IX violation.

I am not going to be 'that guy'.

Ah, come on. Actually, I would expect it from someone on the fan/parent/coaching side. I could honestly see the lawsuit going either way.

When the state was going to cut schedules last year, excepting football, that is precisely what prevented it from implementation. There might be games that DO have 3 [G] and some with 2 [B] that I don't know about since I do not see the master schedule. In my 4 years of varsity ball, I have yet to hear "We should have had 3 on this game" on the girls side. I have heard it plenty on the boys side when a crew of 2 was assigned.

Utah has five divisions, 1A through 5A. 4A and 5A boys varsity use three man. 1A, 2A, and 3A varsity and all sub-varsity use two man.

Everything is two man on the girl's side.

Agreed, and if the lawsuit breaks on the side of allowing the difference, I would expect more areas to follow suit. I would at least expect to see more areas introduce 3-whistle for boys while continuing to use 2 for girls. Not sure we'll see many go backwards and move from 3 to 2 for girls, though.

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that.

Could be that each has the same budget and they chose to spend it differently.

You probably realize that Title IX is not exclusively about equal budgets.

Assuming the boys and girls athletic departments are separate, you could be right. And if they have different ADs making the decisions for each group. I haven't seen that, however, as an actual structure. Typically, one AD runs both boys and girls athletics.

My point was based on the assumption that the coaches were the ones to make the decision where they wanted to spend thier team's money given the choice between 2 and 3 vs. some other item. If the AD makes that choice not based on the team's wishes, I agree with you. The girls team just may choose to attend an extra training camp that the boys don't.

This is true, and I suppose it could vary by area. If the coaches are making the decisions, it could fly. If it's the AD's or other school leadership, however....

My hunch is that, given what 26 year gap stated, the fact that it's a universal difference tells me the decision isn't made by the coaches.

I know that contracts are sent out by the associations to the schools. Not sure if the county ADs hold any sway over the individual schools insofaras number of officials is concerned. And it may vary from county to county.

Nevada -- Two largest classifications use 3-person on both boys and girls varsity games, two smallest classifications use 2-person.
All sub-varsity games are 2-person.
All postseason contests are 3-person.

Northern CA -- almost exclusively 2-person. More three person games are starting to emerge. The postseason involves 3-person upon reaching a certain point.