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JRutledge Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:04pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 706276)
Am I the only one who hates the name of this list? It comes across as "top ten excuses not to give..."

You are not. I hate lists like this in general. They do not always apply to a lot of situations.

Peace

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 08:21am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 706291)
Me too. I've kept "top" in because it was listed as such in the original source, The Greater Philadelphia Basketball Official's Association. I've never liked it. I'll get rid of "top", but still give credit to the guys in the City of Brotherly Love.

For the record, it's not "top" that bothers me; it's "reasons." No official should ever be thinking of reasons not to call a T, especially newer officials.

As for the communication list, it is what it is; I don't mind that one. It's a good starting point, IMO, but that's it.

Upward ref Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:41am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 706290)
Which is exactly what it was designed for, rookie officials. freddie_g2001 doesn't need this list, he's been around the block several times, but others may.

I find them helpful before hand as examples, and to have some options ahead of time . I tend to react with attitude when someone gives me some crap and I definitely want to remain calm and professional instead of reactionary. Thats my theory and I'm sticking with it !:p

Rob1968 Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:56am

After all the "classroom and study"
 
Because I train and mentor a lot of younger officials, I find such lists to be helpful, in the classroom.
In a game, I have 3 quick thoughts regarding a situation that may warrant a "T":
If I give this T, will it make this game better?
If I give this T, will it make my performance in this game better?
Would I expect my partner(s) to put up with this behavior?
If it's yes, yes, no, it's a T.
I also tell younger officials that if they have to give a player or coach a T, that needs to be the calmest moment of the official's entire day, and game.

mbyron Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 706403)
Because I train and mentor a lot of younger officials, I find such lists to be helpful, in the classroom.
In a game, I have 3 quick thoughts regarding a situation that may warrant a "T":
If I give this T, will it make this game better?
If I give this T, will it make my performance in this game better?
Would I expect my partner(s) to put up with this behavior?
If it's yes, yes, no, it's a T.
I also tell younger officials that if they have to give a player or coach a T, that needs to be the calmest moment of the official's entire day, and game.

These lists are a substitute for experience. As JR points out, experienced officials do not need lists, because they can just react appropriately based on their experience.

Noobs need lists because they don't have experience, and the lists give them some basis for calls. And some lists are better than others. My personal fave is the three P's.

BillyMac Fri Dec 10, 2010 06:01pm

Making A List, Checking It Twice ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 706413)
The lists give them some basis for calls. And some lists are better than others.

I have my list laminated and keep it in my back pocket. When I think a coach deserves a technical foul, I whip it out.

http://www.youtube.com/v/EYlDbv7MqE8...s=1&autoplay=1


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