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Rich Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:12pm

Big 10 -- New supervisor and new evaluation process
 
UW men's basketball: New officials chief aims for more accountability from referees

Interesting article. Wonder who's not going to be back this season....

GoodwillRef Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:27pm

I love it when they put people with no officiating background in charge of officials. :confused:

Bo Ryan likes it that the new supervisor was a coach...really no crap.

Raymond Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 705844)
I love it when they put people with no officiating background in charge of officials. :confused:

Bo Ryan likes it that the new supervisor was a coach...really no crap.

Wow, just read that. Back in my 2nd year of officiating I got to tag along and work an intra-squad scrimmage at W&M when was the HC. I'll say this, he knew the rules and he treated our crew very well. He let it be known that he was very appreciative of our profession.

GoodwillRef Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 705856)
Wow, just read that. Back in my 2nd year of officiating I got to tag along and work an intra-squad scrimmage at W&M when was the HC. I'll say this, he knew the rules and he treated our crew very well. He let it be known that he was very appreciative of our profession.

A coach knowing the rules isn't the same as being in the fire as a Division 1 official.

Rich Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:30pm

I think it's only a matter of time before basketball is run like NCAA softball, where they openly admit that the coaches run the sport.

Raymond Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 705865)
A coach knowing the rules isn't the same as being in the fire as a Division 1 official.

Well, I never said it was. And that was 8 years ago. Who knows what he has been doing behind the scenes to get prepared for this type of job. And we all know that a successful "coach" isn't always one who played the game before at the highest level. If Boyages is surrounding himself with former D1 officials who have been in the fire he can do a good job.

John Guthrie and Fred Barakat came from the coaching ranks if I'm not mistaken.

mbyron Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 705871)
I think it's only a matter of time before basketball is run like NCAA softball, where they openly admit that the coaches run the sport.

What, like 20 years ago? ;)

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 07, 2010 01:56pm

I'll be more impressed if he also asks for accountability from the coaches and tries to get them to cut their whining back a bit too. Some of 'em are absolutely ridiculous...and some of 'em are getting away with murder also when it comes to yapping at the the officials.

mbyron Tue Dec 07, 2010 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705888)
I'll be more impressed if he also asks for accountability from the coaches and tries to get them to cut their whining back a bit too. Some of 'em are absolutely ridiculous...and some of 'em are getting away with murder also when it comes to yapping at the the officials.

I don't work NCAA, so I don't have to deal with those coaches.

Unfortunately, the kids and coaches that I deal with (and millions like them) watch and learn from those coaches. To my mind, THAT's the reason NCAA needs to deal with the coaches.

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 07, 2010 02:48pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705922)
Unfortunately, the kids and coaches that I deal with (and millions like them) watch and learn from those coaches. To my mind, THAT's the reason NCAA needs to deal with the coaches.

And you can add the NBE coaches and players to that also. Sometimes I think we spend the first 2 weeks of every high school season re-teaching the players and some coaches that what they see on tv and what they got away with in summer ball just ain't gonna fly any more.

And high school football is the same.

APG Tue Dec 07, 2010 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705925)
And you can add the NBE coaches and players to that also. Sometimes I think we spend the first 2 weeks of every high school season re-teaching the players and some coaches that what they see on tv and what they got away with in summer ball just ain't gonna fly any more.

And high school football is the same.

See in my opinion, the coaches are far and above more "behaved" and more technicals are called against coaches who cross the line in the NBA rather than the college level. As far as the players, you're right in that they're allowed to get away with more, but then again, that's true of any professional level vs. amateur.

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 07, 2010 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 705932)
See in my opinion, the coaches are far and above more "behaved" and more technicals are called against coaches who cross the line in the NBA rather than the college level.

Never sat in the first couple of rows behind an NBE team bench, have ya? Try it. You might learn some new words. :D

APG Tue Dec 07, 2010 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705952)
Never sat in the first couple of rows behind an NBE team bench, have ya? Try it. You might learn some new words. :D

Been there done that haha...I stand by my statement that NBA coaches are better behaved then their NCAA brethren (specfically at the D1 level). I feel safe in saying Coach K wouldn't be getting away with what he does at Duke then at the professional level. ;)

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 07, 2010 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 705959)
I feel safe in saying Coach K wouldn't be getting away with what he does at Duke then at the professional level.

Good point. And seeing what K gets away with, it's tough to argue that too. Kinda hard imo to be noted as a true champion of sportsmanship when you're whining like a 2-year old over every little call that goes against you.

Talks a good game though....:)

mbyron Tue Dec 07, 2010 04:22pm

Oooh, K bashing. Snaqs should be here any second...

Adam Tue Dec 07, 2010 05:20pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705972)
Oooh, K bashing. Snaqs should be here any second...

Sorry to be late, I was off getting some pain medication. (No, Padgett, you can't have any.)

Did I hear someone say Krewshewooski's name?

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 07, 2010 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705972)
Oooh, K bashing. Snaqs should be here any second...

Naw...JBDuke?....probably...:D

I think ol' JB has a warning bell on his computer that goes off when anything anywhere is said on the web that ain't at least 106.7% complimentary of his idol. It's a special software program developed in-house at Dook U and only sold to slavering K sycophants.

It's true, it's true....

BillyMac Tue Dec 07, 2010 06:12pm

Lip Readers Beware ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705952)
Never sat in the first couple of rows behind an NBE team bench, have ya? Try it. You might learn some new words.

Hey. That would be like attending a church picnic compared to sitting behind the bench of our big time, Big East, state school, here in the "Land of Steady Habits". He's the highest paid state employee. My tax dollars go toward his salary. With him on television all the time, no wonder people think that we Northeasters are impolite buffoons with no manners.

Adam Tue Dec 07, 2010 06:13pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 706007)
Hey. That would be like attending a church picnic compared to sitting behind the bench of our big time, Big East, state school, here in the "Land of Steady Habits". He's the highest paid state employee. My tax dollars go toward his salary. With him on television all the time, no wonder people think that we Northeasters are impolite buffoons with no manners.

And that's the women's coach....

Camron Rust Tue Dec 07, 2010 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 706007)
Hey. That would be like attending a church picnic compared to sitting behind the bench of our big time, Big East, state school, here in the "Land of Steady Habits". He's the highest paid state employee. My tax dollars go toward his salary. With him on television all the time, no wonder people think that we Northeasters are impolite buffoons with no manners.

Doubt it....at least doubt that his salary is more than the amount of revenue his program generates.

BillyMac Tue Dec 07, 2010 06:32pm

Potty Mouth Coach ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 706007)
He's the highest paid state employee. My tax dollars go toward his salary.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 706010)
Doubt it....at least doubt that his salary is more than the amount of revenue his program generates.

Yes. I'm sure that the men's basketball program generates more revenue than his salary, but his salary still comes out of the state's general fund, not the university's athletic department. For 1.6 million a year, which he earns every penny of, maybe he could clean up his language just a little, especially when he, and his team, are on television representing the State of Connecticut.

KJUmp Tue Dec 07, 2010 07:06pm

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Originally Posted by richmsn (Post 705871)
i think it's only a matter of time before basketball is run like ncaa softball, where they openly admit that the coaches run the sport.

+1

zm1283 Wed Dec 08, 2010 01:44am

I agree with the comment about NBA coaches being better behaved than NCAA coaches. I've watched a decent amount of NCAA games this year, and those guys get away with anything they want. Gregg Marshall at Wichita State would have multiple T's if he was an NBA coach, but the NCAA guys usually don't do much about his antics on the sideline.

Rob1968 Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:23am

It ain't better, it's jes' differnt
 
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 706050)
I agree with the comment about NBA coaches being better behaved than NCAA coaches. I've watched a decent amount of NCAA games this year, and those guys get away with anything they want. Gregg Marshall at Wichita State would have multiple T's if he was an NBA coach, but the NCAA guys usually don't do much about his antics on the sideline.

Utah Jazz coach, Jerry Sloan can't ask for a drink of water without dropping an F-bomb. The officials who work his games know that's the way he talks, and they have to work past it to get his intent whenever he says something. It's amazing what he gets away with.
I know some unsuspecting fans who took their kids to a game, in seats behind the bench, and gave up those seats because of his verbiage.

Adam Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:47am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 706088)
Utah Jazz coach, Jerry Sloan can't ask for a drink of water without dropping an F-bomb. The officials who work his games know that's the way he talks, and they have to work past it to get his intent whenever he says something. It's amazing what he gets away with.
I know some unsuspecting fans who took their kids to a game, in seats behind the bench, and gave up those seats because of his verbiage.

And as long as people continue to buy tickets, the behavior will continue.

APG Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 706088)
Utah Jazz coach, Jerry Sloan can't ask for a drink of water without dropping an F-bomb. The officials who work his games know that's the way he talks, and they have to work past it to get his intent whenever he says something. It's amazing what he gets away with.
I know some unsuspecting fans who took their kids to a game, in seats behind the bench, and gave up those seats because of his verbiage.

Even if that is true, I've still seen Jerry Sloan both get more technicals and/or ejections for his behavior, then Coach K and it isn't even close.

Multiple Sports Wed Dec 08, 2010 01:07pm

Yes Guth and Barakat were coaches...............
 
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 705874)
Well, I never said it was. And that was 8 years ago. Who knows what he has been doing behind the scenes to get prepared for this type of job. And we all know that a successful "coach" isn't always one who played the game before at the highest level. If Boyages is surrounding himself with former D1 officials who have been in the fire he can do a good job.

John Guthrie and Fred Barakat came from the coaching ranks if I'm not mistaken.

I think that this will push that league more in the direction of a "game management" league where the officials are talking all night to the coaches.

Fred was really big about talking to coaches. the irony to me is that I think that John Adams is trying to get away from us talking all the time to coaches.

Would like to hear how the more esteemed member (Rut) of our fraternity feels...........

Jesse James Wed Dec 08, 2010 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 706161)
I think that this will push that league more in the direction of a "game management" league where the officials are talking all night to the coaches.

Fred was really big about talking to coaches. the irony to me is that I think that John Adams is trying to get away from us talking all the time to coaches.

Would like to hear how the more esteemed member (Rut) of our fraternity feels...........


Why would the push be in a different direction than the past 20 years? The guy Boyages is replacing was a former Big 10 coach, with no officiating resume either.

Ptflea2 Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:36pm

I played ball at a mid major and my senior year we played at Maryland. Sometime during the first half, I remember standing next to coach Williams and his bench waiting to throw the ball in and hearing Williams drop multiple F bombs to one of the refs about a previous play. And when I say multiple I mean every other word.

The next trip down, Williams proceeded with a "Mother Fuc***" while standing on the court and finally got whacked. He took off his jacket, yelled some more and had to be restrained by his assistants. Maryland ended up winning by over 20, but Williams was still barking at the refs during the second half.

I guess if the court is named after you then you sometimes play by a different set of rules :rolleyes:


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