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justacoach Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 705347)
From 2009-2010 Rulebook:

"ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable (soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the elbow, hand, finger/thumb, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons."

Guards, casts, braces & compression sleeves can only be worn if medically needed, otherwise they should not be worn. Like mentioned earlier though it's up to each state governing body to determine if just asking is ok or if written proof is needed.

However at the same time, 3-7 states:

"The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her
judgment any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to, a
player’s fingernails or hairstyle."

So if a guard, cast, brace, or compression sleeve, in the eyes of the R poses a safety concern, 3-5-2 can be nullified where the item even if medically needed would not be allowed.

In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

26 Year Gap Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 705374)
In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

Seconded. I move that nominations cease.


I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules. Or ban them. The manufacturers probably contribute to the coffers is my best guess.

BillyMac Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:19am

Be Careful What You Wish For ...
 
... because it may come true.

OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.

chseagle Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:25am

My having a hard copy of the 2010-2011 rules book had nothing to do with anyone on here. As for having the 2009-2010 rule book electronically, I promised I would not reveal my source for fear of death via firing squad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 705389)
OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.


grunewar Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 705374)
In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

Agreed. But, THAT GIRL is a different thread! ;)

26 Year Gap Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:41am

Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.

BillyMac Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:00pm

Best Seller ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 705394)
Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...84bf&index=ch1

Scrapper1 Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 705332)
This is how we've been instructed in N VA.

We will call the person over in warmups and ask that all important question, "Are you wearing your sleeve for a medical reason?"

"Yes" = it stays on.
"No" = it comes off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705338)
Sure, I've seen that too. I just keep asking until I get the correct answer. ;)

One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?" He had a kid in his first game say, "no". :rolleyes:

Scrapper1 Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 705380)
I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules.

I agree. I feel the same about tights.

BillyMac Sun Dec 05, 2010 01:20pm

Kids Say The Darndest Things ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 705417)
One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?" He had a kid in his first game say, "no".

When the sleeves first became an issue a few years ago, this happened to me. Later I had a discussion with his coach about it. The coach replied, "The kid's got great parents. He was taught to never be dishonest". So now, I just assume it's for medical reasons. Allen Iverson must be rolling over in his Turkish prison cot.

grunewar Sun Dec 05, 2010 01:37pm

Ed Zackery
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 705417)
One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?"

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 705430)
The coach replied, "The kid's got great parents. He was taught to never be dishonest".

I'm not going to encourage a player to be dishonest either.

The R Sun Dec 05, 2010 01:49pm

He said she said.
 
The assigners for our state had a teleconference with the NF at the beginning of the season. During this meeting these sleeves were specifically questioned. The NF response was there is no rule on compression sleeves.

This is what members of my association have been told.

Thats were I'm coming from. I don't disagree that they are specifically mentioned in the rules. The pictures that I have found only show an example of a sleeve and not what is acceptable vs not acceptable.

justacoach Sun Dec 05, 2010 02:18pm

Poor application of the rules by the prosecutor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 705332)
ask that all important question, "Are you wearing your sleeve for a medical reason?"

"Yes" = it stays on.
"No" = it comes off.

You'll never make it as an attorney. You were never taught to properly pose a leading question...
"You ARE wearing that sleeve for medical purposes, RIGHT? All the while vigorously nodding your head.

Next lesson, "Elements of Successful Pro Se Representation vis-a-vis Improper contact with Minors Charges for Va Judicial District 10, Appellate Division", for which I am the reigning authority.

Jurassic Referee Sun Dec 05, 2010 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by The R (Post 705438)
The assigners for our state had a teleconference with the NF at the beginning of the season. During this meeting these sleeves were specifically questioned. <font color = red>The NF response was there is no rule on compression sleeves. </font>

Nope. Sorry. I don't believe that anyone from the NFHS would ever make a response that denied the existence of one of their own plainly written rules.

grunewar Sun Dec 05, 2010 02:31pm

The Prosecution Rests......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 705451)
You'll never make it as an attorney. You were never taught to properly pose a leading question...
"You ARE wearing that sleeve for medical purposes, RIGHT? All the while vigorously nodding your head.

Next lesson, "Elements of Successful Pro Se Representation vis-a-vis Improper contact with Minors Charges for Va Judicial District 10, Appellate Division", for which I am the reigning authority.

If I was trying to lead the player/witness and/or encourage him to lie, I may use this tactic. Since I am not and just simply asking a question, I will not use this method.

Your witness.


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