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Rich Wed Dec 01, 2010 08:37pm

Buzzer-beater
 
I love Deadspin.

They make fun of the announcer (who is quite funny). Let's look at the officiating:

Buzzer-Beater Punctuated By Announcer's Guttural Bellow

tjones1 Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:03pm

"...who's either so excited that words fail her, or she happens to be fluent in dinosaur."

Ha Ha... that's funny!

Lead signaled the attempt and the basket.

Plus, it appears to be 2-man.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:06pm

Odd to see the Trail (official who administered the throw-in) indicate the 3pt attempt as well as score it at the buzzer from near the end line, but what else could he do? He didn't get much help from his partner, who we see at :05 of the video at the far FT line. There are no players past the division line so what is he doing down there?--Watching the paint dry! :eek:

He should have picked a position near the division line to help.

We only see him again at :16 on the clip as he tries to run past the celebration. Very funny. :D

Nevadaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 704451)
Plus, it appears to be 1-man.

Fixed it for ya.

It is definitely a 2-man game, but you have to look closely.

Rich Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:19pm

Also, the announcer says that the throw-in was tipped -- the clock never started if it, in fact, was.

It was pretty hard to find the second official till the end of the video.

JRutledge Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:38pm

That is not unusual to have a tip and the clock does not start properly off the throw-in.

Peace

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 704476)
That is not unusual to have a tip and the clock does not start properly off the throw-in.

Peace

Unless a certained tazer-armed laser-eyed clock operator happens to be on duty.

stiffler3492 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:07pm

Anyone else notice the home team wearing the dark jerseys?

JRutledge Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 704484)
Anyone else notice the home team wearing the dark jerseys?

That might not be a big deal based on what kind of game it is. If it is a tournament of some kind, the host team might not be the "home" team.

Peace

Nevadaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 704484)
Anyone else notice the home team wearing the dark jerseys?

A couple of state associations reversed this. The visiting team wears white in those locations. That may have been the case with this contest.

BillyMac Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:25pm

Sometimes I Get Confused ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 704484)
Anyone else notice the home team wearing the dark jerseys?

All prep school games in Connecticut are like this.

stiffler3492 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:34pm

Interesting

chseagle Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:42pm

Actually depending on how the tip happened it could of been missed by the timer due to bodies being in the way. The tip could of just grazed the fingertips in such a way that it looked as if there was no touch of the ball.

Watching the video in slow motion, the tip happened when both the T-G player & RSV player went up for the ball.

From what I am seeing of the video, the clock looked to be started properly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 704476)
That is not unusual to have a tip and the clock does not start properly off the throw-in.

Peace

I am not that perfect, I realize from replaying events in my mind after they happened that either I started the clock too early or a little late.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 704477)
Unless a certained tazer-armed laser-eyed clock operator happens to be on duty.


Welpe Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704509)
Actually depending on how the tip happened it could of been missed by the timer due to bodies being in the way. The tip could of just grazed the fingertips in such a way that it looked as if there was no touch of the ball.

Gee it is too bad the officials don't have a mechanic to signal when to start the clock...

chseagle Thu Dec 02, 2010 02:12am

Welpe, that includes the timer not being able to see the officials chop in time due to other bodies being in the way (which is a rarity), but does happen if coaches or players are big boned.

Looking closely at the video the tipping happened almost right in front of the timer, & if you can click fast enough to do a slow motion you will notice that the timer started the clock when they noticed the ball was tipped.

Rule 5-9-1 used where the timer did not see any signaling by the officials to start the clock, & Rule 5-9-4 is used as there was a legal touch by a player on the court.

At the 5 sec. mark of the video where the announcer says the pass is tipped the clock does start (ball legally touched by player on court), unfortunately the only thing the video does not show is either of the officials chopping in time (Again Rule 5-9-1 does mention the timer can start the clock if official neglects to signal start clock aka "timer's discretion" if by the timer's definite knowledge the ball was legally in play). The tap that happens is very similar to the jump ball to begin the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704537)
Gee it is too bad the officials don't have a mechanic to signal when to start the clock...


Raymond Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704545)
Welpe, that includes the timer not being able to see the officials chop in time due to other bodies being in the way (which is a rarity), but does happen if coaches or players are big boned.

...

How the hell could you not see the U1 chop the clock during the jump ball? He's either right in front of the table (2-man) or at the 28' line (3-man).

chseagle Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:33am

In the video, you cannot see either official chop the clock.

During jump balls, yes U1 can easily be seen, I was meaning the situation in the video. I was using the jump ball as an example of the tip the announcer mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 704593)
How the hell could you not see the U1 chop the clock during the jump ball? He's either right in front of the table (2-man) or at the 28' line (3-man).


Raymond Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704596)
In the video, you cannot see either official chop the clock.

During jump balls, yes U1 can easily be seen, I was meaning the situation in the video. I was using the jump ball as an example of the tip the announcer mentioned.

I apologize then. I thought you were discussing a jump ball. :o

SamIAm Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 704453)
Odd to see the Trail (official who administered the throw-in) indicate the 3pt attempt as well as score it at the buzzer from near the end line, but what else could he do? He didn't get much help from his partner, who we see at :05 of the video at the far FT line. There are no players past the division line so what is he doing down there?--Watching the paint dry! :eek:

He should have picked a position near the division line to help.

We only see him again at :16 on the clip as he tries to run past the celebration. Very funny. :D

At the 54 second mark of the clip, while showing a replay from a different camera, the camera follows the shot, pans back to the shooter and you can see the trail beside the shooter facing/running towared the table.

Welpe Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704545)
Rule 5-9-1 used where the timer did not see any signaling by the officials to start the clock, & Rule 5-9-4 is used as there was a legal touch by a player on the court.

Where are these found? In some book containing the rules?

chseagle Thu Dec 02, 2010 01:14pm

The 2010-2011 NFHS Basketball Rules Book (I have a hard copy of it, I've had it since October 25 & have been reading parts of it everyday since then).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704647)
Where are these found? In some book containing the rules?


Welpe Thu Dec 02, 2010 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704692)
The 2010-2011 NFHS Basketball Rules Book (I have a hard copy of it, I've had it since October 25 & have been reading parts of it everyday since then).

Oh...didn't realize they had all of the rules grouped together like that....pretty neat.

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704699)
Oh...didn't realize they had all of the rules grouped together like that....pretty neat.

I'm not convinced. Better check with snopes.

bainsey Thu Dec 02, 2010 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 704453)
Odd to see the Trail (official who administered the throw-in) indicate the 3pt attempt as well as score it at the buzzer from near the end line, but what else could he do? He didn't get much help from his partner, who we see at :05 of the video at the far FT line. There are no players past the division line so what is he doing down there?--Watching the paint dry! :eek:

He should have picked a position near the division line to help.

It looks to me like he started a bit to close to black's basket, as there was a player for each team behind him. Then, he's gone, as he must have high tailed it, not expecting the steal.


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