Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 704020)

I was just being an agitator. My guess is that he just saw someone drive by in a pyrite-colored Scion and he got distracted.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 703972)

Team control BEGINS when a player holds or dribbles a live ball inbounds, or secures a jump ball with at least one foot on the floor.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 704002)

Remember that there are no offensive fouls in the NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA rules codes.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 704013)

In NFHS, there is no team control in those situations. So, technically, there is no offense until a throw-in is completed. Thus, there would be shots if the inbounding team fouled prior to the throw-in being completed if the other team was in the bonus.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 703972)

Team control BEGINS when a player holds or dribbles a live ball inbounds, or secures a jump ball with at least one foot on the floor.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 704004)

I'll try reporting all my fouls that way in my game today.

"Red, A1, push." or "White, A1, block."

Should make for an interesting evening. :D

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 704079)

Bainsey:Would you kindly supply a rules reference that includes this phrase?

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 704089)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll misread 4-12-1. Now, I seek clarity.

This passage says, "There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor..."

If a jumper catches a jump ball, it's a violation (6-3-7c). Why would team/player control even be covered on a violation, when the ball becomes dead?

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 704019)

I think that was what he was implying, he was just uncharacteristically terse. He must've been in a hurry to get lunch. ;)

BTW, there is no definition of "offense", and more particularly no rule that tells us who is on offense and when. That is what makes the term "offensive foul" so meaningless in an NFHS or NCAA rules context. Based purely on my understanding of the "general usage" of the word, I would say that the throwing team during a throw-in is "on offense." But, obviously, they do not have team control.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 704020)

I was just being an agitator. My guess is that he just saw someone drive by in a pyrite-colored Scion and he got distracted.

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 704089)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll misread 4-12-1. Now, I seek clarity.

This passage says, "There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor..."

If a jumper catches a jump ball, it's a violation (6-3-7c). Why would team/player control even be covered on a violation, when the ball becomes dead?

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 704091)

A/P purposes?

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 704076)

Gap? Does the action that defines the end of the throw-in always result in team/player control being established? (Asking rhetorically)

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 704076)

Gap? Does the action that defines the end of the throw-in always result in team/player control being established? (Asking rhetorically)

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 704179)

If it is legally completed, it does. A violation called before it is legally completed, a foul called before it is legally completed, and a held ball would be the only things that would not end in team control upon completion.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 704179)

If it is legally completed, it does. A violation called before it is legally completed, a foul called before it is legally completed, and a held ball would be the only things that would not end in team control upon completion.