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Mark Padgett Mon Nov 22, 2010 07:03pm

"That's not fair!"
 
MS girls tournament last weekend. A girl (call her B1) appears hurt and I blow the whistle to stop play. Team A was in team control when I did it. B1 is replaced (she was OK after about 5 minutes of having an ice pack on her knee) and my partner gets ready to give the ball to A1 to inbound. Coach B yells that we should go to the arrow. I tell him team A was in control when I stopped play so they get the ball back. His retort: "That's not fair!"

I just shook my head and sighed. I guess he thought the other team should lose possession because a girl on his team got hurt. Yeah, that makes sense.

BTW - B1 got hurt when she bumped knees with a teammate.

grunewar Mon Nov 22, 2010 07:10pm

Face it Mark......
 
You're just mean!

On a lighter note - as I was using our local corporate e-mail, I came across Mark S. Padgett! If there was a coach in my office, I woulda puked on his shoes! ;)

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 22, 2010 08:07pm

Give that coach some time. He'll be shouting, "Call them the same at both ends" before you know it.

BillyMac Mon Nov 22, 2010 08:32pm

I Know, I'm A Bad Boy ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 702638)
MS girls tournament last weekend. I tell him team A was in control when I stopped play so they get the ball back. His retort: "That's not fair!" I guess he thought the other team should lose possession because a girl on his team got hurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 702639)
You're just mean!

Was this a competitive middle school game?

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 22, 2010 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 702651)
Was this a competitive middle school game?

Yes, these teams were from organizations that call themselves "competitive" to differentiate themselves from "pure" rec organizations.

BTW- my middle initial isn't "S". Believe it or not, my middle name isn't Skippyweaselpants.

BillyMac Mon Nov 22, 2010 09:26pm

Oh what a tangled web we weave ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 702654)
My middle name isn't Skippyweaselpants.

Liar. Liar. Pants on fire.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 23, 2010 08:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 702638)
MS girls tournament last weekend. A girl (call her B1) appears hurt and I blow the whistle to stop play. Team A was in team control when I did it.

Why did you stop play when A was in control?

Adam Tue Nov 23, 2010 09:38am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 702729)
Why did you stop play when A was in control?

MS girls

Indianaref Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:22am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 702729)
Why did you stop play when A was in control?

I've done this before. Do you know why?

PG_Ref Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 702758)
I've done this before. Do you know why?

Because B1 was in imminent danger and was about to be stampeded?

bob jenkins Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:28am

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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 702758)
I've done this before. Do you know why?

I know there are some reasons to do so. None was mentioned in the OP (nor, to be sure, was a reason for keeping the ball live mentioned).

Adam Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:29am

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Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 702761)
Because B1 was in imminent danger and was about to be stampeded?

That's one.

26 Year Gap Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:31am

Team B has set up their offense and is not making an attempt to drive to the hoop or push the ball forward toward the hoop. IOW the guards are just dribbling or holding the ball up top.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 702729)
Why did you stop play when A was in control?

Because B1 was on the floor, writhing around holding her knee and yelling "OW OW OW" and this was a young kids game.

In our local kids rec league, at our pre-season coaches meeting we specifically tell the coaches we will stop the game if a player gets hurt even if a kid on the other team is going in for a breakaway layup that would win the game. No one disagrees since the watchword of our league is "the safety of the kids comes first". It's just a game.

just another ref Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:20pm

You will not find this in any book, but even at the varsity level, I have seen a team B player down with an injury, team A going the other way with the ball, coach A sees the situation and says timeout, and the official stops play but doesn't charge A with the timeout.

Surely no one has a problem with this?

chartrusepengui Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 702758)
I've done this before. Do you know why?

Because you were afraid you might trip over her while changing directions, and fall causing even greater bodily harm to both you and the girl writhing on the floor?;)

bob jenkins Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 702787)
Because B1 was on the floor, writhing around holding her knee and yelling "OW OW OW" and this was a young kids game.

In our local kids rec league, at our pre-season coaches meeting we specifically tell the coaches we will stop the game if a player gets hurt even if a kid on the other team is going in for a breakaway layup that would win the game. No one disagrees since the watchword of our league is "the safety of the kids comes first". It's just a game.

Thanks. That's (generally) what I suspected.

It wasn't meant to be a "challenge" question.


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