Are you the guy who comes on here selling shoes?

I'll bite; what's the other one?

Same one, when it happens on Saturday night. ;)

How about a pass to ones self. (4.44.3SitD (b).

1) There's no such thing as a pass to oneself. A pass is specifically defined as ball movement from one player to another player.

2) Many of us think that interpretation is incorrect and the proper infraction is actually an illegal dribble, since the ball didn't strike the floor between bats.

Think what you will. Rules is rules.

Yep, and the rules allow for a call of illegal dribble, yet a travel here is a stretch of the rules.

I'm used to everyone around here using the right hand for numbers, signaling the foul as well as verbalizing it.

Ed, rules are rules. But you're basing your post on a case play, not a rule. The rule says HOLDING the ball.

The case play is wrong. It's a contradiction of the rule. For years, the case play was correct, in that the ruling was an illegal dribble. Then some know-it-all board member read the play and incorrectly decided it was traveling.

Also, the example of being on the floor, placing the ball on the floor, standing and picking the ball up is traveling still requires that the ball be held.

You cannot travel unless you are holding the ball.

Yup, it isn't a travel until the ball is held. Just touching the ball is nuthin'.