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wyo96 Fri Nov 19, 2010 05:30pm

Locked handson free throw?
 
7th Grade Girls.(explains a lot!)
I have never seen this one....

Free thrower A1 has the ball and the 10 second count has begun.
B1 and B3 grip and hold hands in front of A2, all three are in marked lane spaces. (if I would have seen it before ball at the disposal, I could have told them not to do it)

I called a lane violation (delayed) throw missed, substitute throw was awarded.

However, on reviewing the Rules, looks like 10-1 Art 10 applies and should be a Team Technical.

Therefore, when seen blow whistle; even if ball at throwers disposal; clear lanes, let A1 finish shooting awarded throws,
then let any Team A member shoot 2,
ball at half court for Team A.

Sounds harsh, but am I reading the rule right?

Indianaref Fri Nov 19, 2010 05:40pm

You mean 10-1- Art. 10.

26 Year Gap Fri Nov 19, 2010 05:46pm

Red Rover. Red Rover. Send A3 right over.

Adam Fri Nov 19, 2010 06:22pm

Seems right to me; not too harsh either. It's a T for a reason.

BillyMac Fri Nov 19, 2010 07:16pm

A Team Shall Not ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 702062)
You mean 10-1-10.

... allow players to lock arms or grasp a teammate(s) in an effort to
restrict the movement of an opponent.

Adam Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:03am

It's like faceguarding, you really only see the good examples in 7th grade girls basketball.

BillyMac Sat Nov 20, 2010 01:02pm

Kids Say (And Do) The Darndest Things ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702181)
It's like faceguarding, you really only see the good examples in 7th grade girls basketball.

You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

Adam Sat Nov 20, 2010 02:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 702194)
You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

For the newbies:
When does the violation occur in BillyMac's situation?

26 Year Gap Sat Nov 20, 2010 02:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 702194)
You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

Wow. I have never seen above the rim play at that level. What are they serving for hot lunch in CT?

Jurassic Referee Sat Nov 20, 2010 02:48pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702199)
For the newbies:
When does the violation occur in BillyMac's situation?

For the oldies, it occurs right after you warn them and they do it again.

JMO.

Fifth & Sixth Grade?

BillyMac Sat Nov 20, 2010 03:11pm

Anonymous Quote ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 702207)
Fifth & Sixth Grade?

"Rulz is rulz."

Adam Sat Nov 20, 2010 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 702207)
For the oldies, it occurs right after you warn them and they do it again.

JMO.

Fifth & Sixth Grade?

But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

Jurassic Referee Sat Nov 20, 2010 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702213)
But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

Big :D

BillyMac Sat Nov 20, 2010 06:23pm

Basketball Is Big Business For Catholics ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702213)
But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

In this Catholic school league:
Varsity Division: Mostly seventh and eighth graders.
Junior Varsity A Division: Mostly fifth and sixth graders.
Junior Varsity B Division: Mostly third and fourth graders.
Junior Varsity C Division: Mostly first and second graders.

Some schools have more than one team in each division i.e. Varsity A Team and Varsity B Team. My Junior Varsity Division A game was a "competitive 5th and 6th grade" game. These kids have been coached and have been playing together for four years by the time they get into this division. Full court presses and fast breaks are allowed in this division. In this division the regular season ends with a Deanery tournament, followed by a state tournament, followed by a New England tournament.

Adam Sat Nov 20, 2010 06:45pm

Billy, I'm sorry, but calling them "varsity" when they're in elementary and middle school just seems silly. I'm sure others do it, but they all come off as silly


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