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26 Year Gap Sun Nov 21, 2010 01:53pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 702386)
The 10 & 11 year olds were in fifth and sixth grade, as posted by Billy. I don't care what group they were part of or how "competitive" their league is; they're still freaking kids.

That was my point.
Point taken. It was following a bunch of posts discussing jr high. Hence my confusion. Inadvertent whistle.

BillyMac Sun Nov 21, 2010 02:12pm
Just Like A Get Out Of Jail Free Card ...
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 702387)
Inadvertent whistle.
Don't leave home without it.

BillyMac Sun Nov 21, 2010 02:17pm
Teachable Moment ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 702386)
When you're officiating you should be making some allowance for that.
Like this?

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 702194)
I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin.
I would never communicate this to a high school varsity player, probably not to a high school junior varsity player, not sure about a high school freshman player.

Jurassic Referee Sun Nov 21, 2010 02:52pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 702194)
Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and<font color = red> blew my whistle for the violation</font>, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin.
No, this teachable moment that was missed imo.

BillyMac Sun Nov 21, 2010 02:59pm
What Kids Hear: Wah Wah Wah Wah ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 702409)
No, this teachable moment that was missed.
Point taken. But what will be remembered best by a kid: A whistle and a violation, followed by short explanation, or just the short explanation alone? I chose the former this time, next time, I might chose the later.

tjones1 Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:54pm
Sorry to bring this thread back alive; however, I can't find the NCAA-M reference to this situation.

grunewar Thu Feb 03, 2011 05:03am
Yeperdoodle, here too
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702239)
Billy, I'm sorry, but calling them "varsity" when they're in elementary and middle school just seems silly. I'm sure others do it, but they all come off as silly
My schedule recently showed a G and B Varsity double header at on of the local religious schools (i.e. - 9th grade). I don't mind doing them as the school is not a long drive, has good facilities, the people are nice and ball isn't too bad. But, varsity?

About an hr after I accepted in Arbiter, I received an email that I was switched to a "real varsity" game down the road. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Thu Feb 03, 2011 07:42am
Argue With Noah Webster ...
 
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 725552)
My schedule recently showed a G and B Varsity double header at on of the local religious schools (i.e. - 9th grade). I don't mind doing them as the school is not a long drive, has good facilities, the people are nice and ball isn't too bad. But, varsity? About an hr after I accepted in Arbiter, I received an email that I was switched to a "real varsity" game down the road.
Varsity: The principal team representing a university, college, or school in sports, games, or other competitions.

Adam Thu Feb 03, 2011 08:30am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 725573)
Varsity: The principal team representing a university, college, or school in sports, games, or other competitions.
Give it up, Billy.

BillyMac Thu Feb 03, 2011 09:59am
Like A Good Neighbor ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725596)
Give it up, Billy.
Hey. Noah Webster used to live right down the street from me. In regard to definitions, I'm siding with him. He's what you call an expert.

Welpe Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:10am
This is like the endline vs. baseline debate. There is a difference between the technically correct usage and the commonly understood.

Adam Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 725632)
This is like the endline vs. baseline debate. There is a difference between the technically correct usage and the commonly understood.
Exactly. To me, it's like saying the kids are graduating from 5th grade. Technically, I suppose they're graduating. But really?

ref2coach Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 725685)
Exactly. To me, it's like saying the kids are graduating from 5th grade. Technically, I suppose they're graduating. But really?
Ya, But in West VA anything past 5th grade is "higher learning" ;)


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