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Old Thu Nov 18, 2010, 07:53pm
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What is the proper penalty and admin?

During the 3rd quarter a spectator is harassing a team member on the bench.
The team member leaves the bench area and goes up into the stands to confront the spectator.
The game officials notice the disturbance and stop the game.
What are the proper penalties and to whom? How is the game restarted.

Please cite the current rules book and refer to the new play rulings.
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Old Thu Nov 18, 2010, 08:49pm
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NCAA Men 10-5.1.h

(Men) CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions
Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following:
h. Leaving the playing court and going into the stands when a fight may break out or has broken out (flagrant non-contact infraction).

NCAA Women 10-4.1.f and/or i
Bench Technical Foul
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions
i. Refusing to occupy the team bench to which the team was assigned or to occupy the location for a timeout or before any extra period as described in Rule 4-7.2.

PENALTY: Two free throws shall be awarded to any member of the offended team.
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Old Thu Nov 18, 2010, 10:10pm
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NCAA Men 10-5.1.h

(Men) CLASS A Unsporting Technical Infractions
Art. 1. A player or substitute committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but not limited to, the following:
h. Leaving the playing court and going into the stands when a fight may break out or has broken out (flagrant non-contact infraction).

NCAA Women 10-4.1.f and/or i
Bench Technical Foul
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions
i. Refusing to occupy the team bench to which the team was assigned or to occupy the location for a timeout or before any extra period as described in Rule 4-7.2.

PENALTY: Two free throws shall be awarded to any member of the offended team.

Since he said 3rd quarter, we have to assume this isn't an NCAA game.
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Old Thu Nov 18, 2010, 10:37pm
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10-5-5
Technical charged directly to head coach
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Old Thu Nov 18, 2010, 10:46pm
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I agree, 10-5-5.

But, seems odd as if you apply that rule then the bench player can still play in the game, right?
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I think you could invoke 4-18 or 4-19-4.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 08:21am
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Was the spectator a fan for team A or Team B?

Which team was the bench personnel on?

If the bench personnel is Team B & the fan Team A (or vice versa), what would happen?

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During the 3rd quarter a spectator is harassing a team member on the bench.
The team member leaves the bench area and goes up into the stands to confront the spectator.
The game officials notice the disturbance and stop the game.
What are the proper penalties and to whom? How is the game restarted.

Please cite the current rules book and refer to the new play rulings.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 09:24am
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Was the spectator a fan for team A or Team B?

Which team was the bench personnel on?

If the bench personnel is Team B & the fan Team A (or vice versa), what would happen?
All 3 questions are completely irrelevant. The ruling given applies for all situations. Team members aren't supposed to leave the bench for any reason.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 05:05pm
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I realize that a team member cannot leave the bench area for unauthorized reasons per 10-3-6i & 10-5-5.

However if the spectator is a fan from the opposing team, that team's HC could get an indirect charged, or the floor officials can just ask that the spectator be removed from the premises depending on the seriousness of the actions from the spectator & how thick-skinned the floor officials are. (I'm trying to remember the rule for this but right now can't remember )

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All 3 questions are completely irrelevant. The ruling given applies for all situations. Team members aren't supposed to leave the bench for any reason.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 05:13pm
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I realize that a team member cannot leave the bench area for unauthorized reasons per 10-3-6i & 10-5-5.

However if the spectator is a fan from the opposing team, that team's HC could get an indirect charged, or the floor officials can just ask that the spectator be removed from the premises depending on the seriousness of the actions from the spectator & how thick-skinned the floor officials are. (I'm trying to remember the rule for this but right now can't remember )
If the admin/security want to remove the spectator here, that's up to them. The officials aren't likely to get involved unless they know exactly what happened.
As for a T? How do I know which team the fan is supporting? Nope, game management will deal with him as they see fit.

And 10-3-6i doesn't apply to bench players.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 05:18pm
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Thanks, I forgot 10-3-6i only applied to players on the court. (my bad, but at least I'm willing to learn )

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If the admin/security want to remove the spectator here, that's up to them. The officials aren't likely to get involved unless they know exactly what happened.
As for a T? How do I know which team the fan is supporting? Nope, game management will deal with him as they see fit.

And 10-3-6i doesn't apply to bench players.
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Old Fri Nov 19, 2010, 12:27pm
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If the player leaves the bench and goes into the stands to create a situation, do you think there is a point where a school admin should get involved and maybe think about taking the kid out of the gym?
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If the player leaves the bench and goes into the stands to create a situation, do you think there is a point where a school admin should get involved and maybe think about taking the kid out of the gym?
It shouldn't get that far; the coach should take care of it before site admin has to.
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