Dishonesty

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you talking about stuff like, "I wasn't talking to you"? Or perhaps "No one has made her take out her earrings all year"? Or something more sinister?

Anything you'd like, Snaq. Anything from a little BS, to intelligence-insulting whoppers, to flopping, if you'd like.

As for humor over forthright and calm, I'd also opt for the latter, but doesn't that typically depend upon how well you know the coach?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Anything you'd like, Snaq. Anything from a little BS, to intelligence-insulting whoppers, to flopping, if you'd like.

As for humor over forthright and calm, I'd also opt for the latter, but doesn't that typically depend upon how well you know the coach?

I don't see much that I could really consider "dishonest." The occasional flop from a player, but that's about it; but even then it's nothing like what Jeter pulled this year.

[Mark Padgett]

OK,it's football, not basketball, but how about other teams faking defensive injuries on coach's orders to slow down the offense of the Oregon Ducks? There's videos all over the net. And, according to NCAA football rules, there's no penalty for it.

Seems like that scenario was named after the title of this thread.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

OK,it's football, not basketball, but how about other teams faking defensive injuries on coach's orders to slow down the offense of the Oregon Ducks? There's videos all over the net. And, according to NCAA football rules, there's no penalty for it.

Seems like that scenario was named after the title of this thread.

So you have proof that the coaches are teaching their players to fake injuries, as opposed to players being tired and taking an extra moment to catch their breath?

[fullor30]

I was doing a sophomore boys Christmas tournament years ago and called a a block with both shooter and offender on floor. I lost my number when reporting and asked partner who it was and he wasn't sure. I firmly asked who committed the foul, the player I suspected gave me a smug look when asked and nobody fessed up. Finally, one of his teammates disgusted by his bad sportsmanship gave him up "it was him" as he pointed him out. Time lapse, all of about 15 seconds.

Both my partner and I then initiated the 'indentify the troublemaker' and he was on the bench shortly after with a few more legitimate calls.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So you have proof that the coaches are teaching their players to fake injuries, as opposed to players being tired and taking an extra moment to catch their breath?

So a guy is walking around after the play, then takes a few steps toward his bench, gets a signal from his coach and then drops down holding his ankle. Judge Judy would tell him "Liar, liar, pants on fire". Just watch the videos on youtube and tell me they're not faking it. Some things are so obvious they must be true. The Pac10 said they can't do anything about it, not because it didn't happen, but because there's no penalty for it under the rules.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So a guy is walking around after the play, then takes a few steps toward his bench, gets a signal from his coach and then drops down holding his ankle. Judge Judy would tell him "Liar, liar, pants on fire". Just watch the videos on youtube and tell me they're not faking it. Some things are so obvious they must be true. The Pac10 said they can't do anything about it, not because it didn't happen, but because there's no penalty for it under the rules.

Just watched the video, didn't see any signals from the coach.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So a guy is walking around after the play, then takes a few steps toward his bench, gets a signal from his coach and then drops down holding his ankle.

One video I saw they were playing Arizona State announcer said the temperature was over 100º. It is normal for a player to be walking around after the down and appear fine then get a crap and fall over.

Another video they were playing California. The down ends and a California player appears to be in pain and is bending over. He then looks towards the sideline and falls down. The TV announcer says something like it looks like he was struggling and the sideline told him if you're hurt just go down. Conviently if you watch the ESPN clip they only start the video when he is already looking at the sideline.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Judge Judy would tell him "Liar, liar, pants on fire".

I can't believe a judge, even a fake TV judge, would say something like that but the player would end up winning the case.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just watch the videos on youtube and tell me they're not faking it. Some things are so obvious they must be true. The Pac10 said they can't do anything about it, not because it didn't happen, but because there's no penalty for it under the rules.

This is just stupid. Did you copy that whole paragraph off of some fan site talking about how the officials were cheating?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And because the officials in both sports aren't doctors, we sureashell aren't qualified to judge whether a player is injured or faking it either.

Agree 100%. I was listening to a sports talk show that I really like, but today one of the guests said that it was the officials' fault that the players were getting away with the tactic. And my only thought was to wonder how in the world would the officials know whether or not these hulking human beings are actually injured?????

If they look injured, I treat them as if they really are injured. Unless I hear the coach say, "Ok, Jimmy, NOW. Fake an injury!!", there's nothing I can do about it.

Originally Posted by Cobra

It is normal for a player to be walking around after the down and appear fine then get a crap and fall over.

I hate it when that happens.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Cobra

This is just stupid. Did you copy that whole paragraph off of some fan site talking about how the officials were cheating?

Stupid? Did I ever say or imply that the officials were cheating? Do you think I look at fan sites? If you think I did either one of those things, then you're stupid. When you get even 1/100th of the number of posts I have here, then you can make statements like that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

OK,it's football, not basketball, but how about other teams faking defensive injuries on coach's orders to slow down the offense of the Oregon Ducks? There's videos all over the net. And, according to NCAA football rules, there's no penalty for it.

Seems like that scenario was named after the title of this thread.

Football is the same as basketball. If a player goes down injured, they have to leave the game. There's rules in both sports fully covering the officials' duties in situations like that. And because the officials in both sports aren't doctors, we sureashell aren't qualified to judge whether a player is injured or faking it either. We let the people at the contest responsible for that duty do their job.

I'd never dream of accusing a player on the floor in a basketball game or on the field in a football game of faking an injury, no matter what I personally thought. And I've done football a few months longer than basketball. Any college official who tried to pull something like that would be back doing Saturday morning kiddie football in one heckuva hurry.

Little advice for any official....do NOT play God.

JMO

[Back In The Saddle]

One play from a camp game stands out to me, mostly because I lost my cool over it. A1 gets a steal and is heading the other way for an uncontested layup. B1 chases after him and grabs him from behind. Clearly an intentional foul, and I signal it as such at the spot. Coach for B intercepts me on my way to the table and says, "He was trying to play the ball."

In my mind there's trying to work an official and then there's flat out lying. I have no patience or tolerance for the latter.