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A5 has the ball for a throw-in, up 66-64 with 9 seconds remaining.
B1 bear hugs A1 prior to the throw-in ending. How do you handle that?

IP foul. 2 Shots and the ball for A. Also counts as the delay warning.

Oops -- my mistake. It's not a delay warning. I misread who was fouled.

INT foul.

Yeah, what Bob said. ;)

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

I did make the unpopular, but correct call last night & one of my dearest friends & mentors told me, I would have the shortest college career in history if I go out there imposing myself on a great game :confused:

I own all 3 books & the rule is quite clear as to what should be called in this situation. But my friend (DI official) says I could have handled it differently.

Perhaps he was trying to prepare me for what is a common occurance in the particular leagues I'll be working...
But I honestly thought we couldn't go wrong if we simply call the rules as written. In the words of Vinnie Barbarino, "Im so confused" :(

If you don't call an intentional in that sitiuation did your D1 friend explain what to tell your supervisor when A1's coach sends in the tape and wants an explanation as to why that is not a classic Intentional Foul?

How did your D1 friend say you should have "handled it differently"?

Ignore or call a common foul...

Because all the fouls prior to that 1 were intentional too, as they were trying to stop the clock.

In the pro game, I believe this is considered an Away-from-the-Play foul, essentially the same as the Intentional in HS/NCAA.

Not only is it clear in the books, but it was part of the pre-season video from John Adams. Talk to your supervisor, but it's pretty clear that the higher-ups expect this to be an intentional foul.

If it were not quite so blatant as a bear-hug, you might be able to call a common foul. (Maybe he just held him as he was trying to break to the ball, or they got their arms all tangled up.) But with a bear hug when the throw-in hasn't even ended yet is too obvious to call a common foul, IMHO, whether it's HS or, yes, even NCAA.

In the NBA this would be an away-from-the-play foul. 2 shots to any of the 5 offensive players in the game, ball on the side to Team A

You need to talk to your league supervisor/evaluator/training officer, not your mentor. Get your direction from the person responsible for direction. It's that simple.

Do any of these sage mentors (this thread and the elbow thread) not realize that coaches watch the preseason videos also?

Absoutely JR! For the record, this was a mens wreck game & my guy was working on the court next to me. I didn't ask his opinion on this play, he kinda brought it to me.

Wreck ball? Your "D1" mentor is telling you this during wreck ball? Pffft. INT foul and I don't even think twice about it.

We use this level of play to prepare for the season, calling the game as if it were a real game. He was simply asking if I plan to make this same call during the season & why I shouldn't.

Yes!! I knew I had that one right.

Wait. "Absolutely, JR"? Where's my props???

My bad, good lookin out Scrappy!

Looks like you went 2 for 2 there :D

Thanks 2 all for their input!

Almost...it would be one free throw instead of two unless the foul was a flagrant foul.

Like JR has suggested, get direction from an evaluator or assigner if you are not sure. Nothing like getting guidance straight from the horse's mouth.

NBA rule is not equivalent -- only one free throw

Section X--Away-From-The-Play Foul
a. During the last two minutes of the fourth period or overtime period(s) with the offensive team in possession of the ball, all personal fouls which are assessed against the defensive team prior to the ball being released on a throw-in and/or away-from-the-play, shall be administered as follows:
(1) A personal foul and team foul shall be assessed and one free throw attempt shall be awarded. The free throw may be attempted by any play-er in the game at the time the personal foul was committed.
(2) If the foul occurs when the ball is inbounds, the offended team shall be awarded the ball at the nearest point where play was interrupted but no nearer to the baseline than the free throw line extended.
(3) If the foul occurs prior to the release on a throw-in, the offended team shall be awarded the ball at the original throw-in spot, with all privileges, if any, remaining.

FIBA rules.

Unsportsmanlike Foul. 2 FT + Poss at the division line. Rule is similar to the NBA rule.

NBA rules: no such thing.

FIBA rules: who cares?
:D

Im quite sure what the book says to do at every level of play. The word "shall" means do it, the word "may" means we have options.

I thought Mr. Adams wanted the game to be called as the rules were written?
How could an assignor say anything different? If rule support doesnt back up that decision in an assignors eyes, perhaps that is not the right league for me. Guess I'll worry about it when/if it comes up in the real world.

My $.02:
College players know how to foul in end of game situations. If they don't, they'll get this call every time.

I have never taken any grief for making this call. In my experience, you get far more grief for close-to-the-line calls you pass on than for the ones you get.

Those who officiate the game using FIBA rules, obvisously... :rolleyes:
Hehehe...

Snaqs, you havent made that call in a mens wreck league then... :D

[QUOTE=AllPurposeGamer;699318]Almost...it would be one free throw instead of two unless the foul was a flagrant foul.QUOTE]

doesn't it make you mad when you have something in your head and your hands dont do what you tell them! lol

Haven't worked one of those in a while; I don't remember.

Note that he says he has not "taken" any grief for making this call. That's a very different matter than them not trying to "give" him grief. Of course, in men's wreck ball they try to give you grief for every call. And no call. It's almost like giving grief is actually the game, and the basketball part is just something to do between whines. ;)

He probably over-looked you.

Follow the same procedure that you use at a camp when someone gives you instructions that you know are wrong. Listen intently, nod your head in agreement and then ignore the advice when he's out of sight. That saves your friendship and also lets you do what you know is right.

JMO.