NFHS 2010-11 Basketball Exam Questions
 

Looking for a link to an online version of the QUESTIONS ONLY. Not trying to find the answers. Just don't have my paper copy here and want to start on the test. TIA.

Saddle up, boys. Here we go!

Good grief.

Yes, there's a link. It's www.nfhs.org/exams. You can access the online version of the exam when you login to take it during the last week of November.

Snaqwells, generally I appreciate your contribution to the board. In this case, since you don't know me, maybe giving me the benefit of the doubt is in order. I am stuck at work on a 24 hour shift and my paper copy of the test is at home... somewhere. In my state, we are mailed the questions yet we enter the answers on the state website. So I have online rule books, online answer sheet, yet no online copy of the questions is available. Quite a system. If you recall, last year someone posted a copy of the questions sans answers. That is all I'm wanting. I am perfectly capable of completing the test on my own and I look forward to it every year. Instead of assuming I am a lazy official (of which we have plenty around here) please just understand I am trying to be productive while stuck at work. Now back to your regularly scheduled drama.

BBR thanks but I can't use the NFHS test site as my state doesn't subscribe to that method of answer submission.

If you're perfectly capable of completing the test on your own, then you shouldn't need copies of the questions BEFORE you write the damn thing. Just go home and do it.

Same old, same old...every freaking year!:rolleyes:

The accepted rule of thumb is that anyone looking for a copy of the exam before they write the test is also looking to cheat. And the person that posted the test last year was an unethical jerk. You're only cheating yourselves imo.

I printed out my test yesterday at work and I wish the Feds would just go with 35 or so questions. 100 questions is really crazy, IMHO.

First of all, my comment had nothing to do with your sincerity. As you state, I don't know you, so I have no idea. I was referring to what I knew was coming; which has actually been pretty mild.


Reasons why someone would want a copy posted on the board:
1. Yours.
2. To study it ahead of time.
3. To study it as a guide when their state doesn't use it.

No one ever admits to #2 when asking for the test, but providing a copy would circumvent the whole testing process for a lot of states. Posting it to the board doesn't just send it to your computer.

As JR state, whoever did it last year shouldn't have.

Jurassic what are you talking about? On the state website I have a blank answer sheet to fill in. I have a MAILED paper copy of the test and it is not with me at the moment. THE QUESTIONS DO NOT APPEAR WHEN I OPEN THE TEST ON THE WEBSITE, ONLY THE ANSWER SHEET. If I do not have a copy of the questions in front how am I supposed to know what the questions even are??? I wish the test appeared on the website so I wouldn't need to keep track of the paper copy but it does not.

In my state the test is open book. It is widely distributed. I was not aware it was a secret squirrel type of test. Are we talking about the same test? I've had a copy of it since September 15. It is mailed to every registered official in our state to be completed in open book format at any time before the deadline of November 23. It is blatantly announced as being an open book test designed to encourage research of the rules. I was not aware it was kept under lock and key in other states. I thought all NFHS states likely operated under the same system. Request withdrawn for all the trouble it seems to be causing.

No, not even close. It varies greatly from state to state.

Ahhhhh (lightbulb comes on)...

EDIT: I found this thread that I did not see when I searched earlier for my answer.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post691403

On that particular day, I guess folks weren't so pissy and the following answer was provided:

Since ignorance is no excuse for violating the forum code of honor I sentence myself to seven hours of reading Chseagle threads.

You will need a certified timer with 40 hours of training to monitor the time you spend.

Now that's a bit harsh.

True, but quite funnE :D

I was thinking more along the lines of "cruel and unusual" ;)

Actually some of us have been pissy for many, many years to the cheating scumbags that come here wanting an early copy of the test and/or the answers. Every single year we go through this. Invariably they always have a good excuse for asking too.

Some states run a closed book, proctored test where you have to attain a certain percentage correct to advance in classifications. If someone posts the exam here early, officials in those states can (and will) take advantage of it. Some have open-book tests on a certain date but also only allow a certain amount of time to complete it. Having the test early obviously is a great advantage there also.

As I said, they're only cheating themselves.

Signed: Pissy Ol' JR

My Dog Ate It
 

This year, in both Football and Basketball, Washington State has begun using a 50 question test that is more situational than definitional. In order to properly answer the situational questions you must understand the definitions and then properly apply the rules; a better test in my opinion.

Is that something you could e'mail to people not from Washington? Sounds like a great tool for practice with situations and rules.

We typically get a paper copy from the Association - I'll check with them and if okay then I could scan that in and email it to you if you send me your email address, debit card and pin (Mark P. would want me to ask) via pm. Our first meeting is on Nov. 3

I must have missed something in your argument. How in the heck is it an advantage to take an open book test and get that test early? We used to take this test and I never saw an advantage by having the test early. It was not a secret?

Peace

The advantage, obviously, would be that one could look up the answers in advance before taking the actual test.

Having said that, I find it disturbing to think that any official with the most basic rules knowledge would think it necessary to look for an extra advantage to pass an open book test.

No, it is not obvious. Getting the test in "advance" did not do anything for us. And when you say getting the test in advance, I am not sure what the heck we would be getting the test in advance of? We basically had two months to take the exam and that time was based on when you got the mail.

I just took a University exam that was open book. The class was a graduate course and me and two others took the exam together. We had to answer 4 questions based on our readings. The teacher told us we could take the exam together if we liked.

I will never understand why people believe the NF test is a testing of rules knowledge. Sorry, but I know what a basketball looks like and I do not need to know the exact circumference of the basketball as I have never measured it personally before a game. If our basketball test is the same as our football one was, then that is a much better test of rules knowledge. Multiple choice (or guess :D) and not only must we know what to call, but we must know what we are going to do after the call. I have seen people not even know how to apply a Team Control Foul or a Double Foul because all the so-called test does is test them know what the wording is, but they have no idea how to apply it to the game when called.

Peace

In this case, I agree, not an advantage. A more conventional format, perhaps, would be like the one in our state. You log in, click start, and you have one hour to answer the 60 questions on the test. A person who felt the need to verify almost every question in the books could obviously benefit tremendously from having the questions in advance of the start of this one hour allotted time period.

I do not know if that is more conventional. From what I understand the majority of the country took the test in a similar fashion as we used to. We took the paper copy and took the test and submitted our answers over a period of time. The NF test is 100 questions, not 60 and we had to answer them all. Now if your state decided to come up with another method that is fine. But I do not believe that was similar to others across the country. And many states that did not take the NF test, created their own. My point is not everyone asking for a copy (like I would) has a nefarious reason to want a copy. I want a copy just to see what they are asking. Our state created their own and is not in a T/F format. So that test will do me no good except to learn what is being asked by the NF.

Peace

And that's exactly why I made my previous statements. All states are NOT the same. What may not be an advantage in one state may be a huge advantage in another state. And the test results may be fairly meaningless in one state, while they might have playoff assignment implications in another.

That's why posting a full standard NFHS exam early on this forum that can be copied by anyone in any state might not be an advantage in any way for one area but might be a perfect opportunity for cheating in another area. And since there's no real advantage gained by discussing the odd individual exam question early here anyway, what real need is there for a complete test to be posted. And posting a full copy of the answers is similarly ridiculous, but even more-so.

And as I've said repeatedly, if you can't answer average rules questions without the aid of the rule book, you shouldn't be out on the court in a good game anyway imo. You don't have time out there to go find a book and look up what you're supposed to call. You're only cheating yourself if you depend on looking up answers.

JMO.

I agree that not everyone asking for a copy has a nefarious reason. But I'm also sure that SOME of the people coming here for exam copies sureashell do have a nefarious reason. And if you post the exam, they WILL cheat and benefit from it.

I know of a few areas that have a closed-book, proctored and timed exam. Imagine the advantage that some of the people in those areas will have if they can get their cheating mitts on an early copy.

You did miss it; he specifically stated it would be an advantage for those who have a limited time to take the test.

As far as getting an advantage from cheating, how can this help you in a game? If you dont know the rules, cheat on the exam and then get in a game and misapply a rule, then shame on that person. Just my 2 cents.

+1

Because some assignors look at test scores to help rank their officials.

And if you don't know the rule and then misapply a rule, you've just brought your entire crew down.

Agree, and that's exactly why I've been iterating and iterating that people that cheat on those tests are only cheating themselves. Or maybe cheating their partners or their association.

However, in some areas the test score is also used to assign classifications and/or help determine eligibity for state playoffs. Getting a higher test score could possible get you into a better classification or into the playoffs. Whether your actions will keep you there is a whole 'nother matter.

In my opinion, the idea of having these exams should be for us to improve ourselves as officials. The results should point out areas of the rules that we might be weak in, areas we can work on to get better. And I'm not talking about the crappy questions about logos or ball circumferences either. I'm talking about the nuts and bolts questions about situations we could actually run into.

Ahh....thats where floor evaluation come in as well. Trust me, if you dont know the rules it will show in one way or the other. Simply cheating on the test will catch up with whomever!

I agree with that as well.

Yessirrrr!! My +1 was regarding, "then shame on that person."

At the same time, passing a written test HARDLY means you can officiate!

My question was really rhetorical. I realize that some people have a timed test. But that is not everyone and certainly not the majority of people around the country. So to jump off the deep end because someone asked what would benefit them to study the exam, I think just goes too far. And if I ask for the test and the answers anyone that is in Illinois can confirm we take no such test anymore.

Peace

I have yet to work any level and someone to ask what my test score is in any sport.

Peace

I don't know how many would cheat to get it, but around here the main reason for wanting a higher test score is simple. $$$ Above 90%, certified, is one pay level. Above 80%, approved, is a few dollars per game less. Above 70%, registered, is a few dollars less than that.

I dunno. You work volleyball?

True - but flunking a written test means you probably can't officiate. Of course, then you could be a coach. :p

Sounds like this is a bigger problem than if someone gets a score. Going to camps means much more in my state. And it is understood that an open book test is going to have people working together.

Peace

It's not asked for, it's supplied automatically every Monday by the state to every association's commissioner.

You're system is not the same as our system. And, in fact, our by-laws do make some references to test scores. Our test is on-line and open book with at a 4 week period to finish it, so having the questions early is really a moot point around here. But it shows that it can come into play depending on what system you're involved in.

I understand we have a different system. But you cannot expect that I am going to care what you do when it does not affect me. Just like I cannot care if one teacher in school gives tests one way and the teacher teaching the same subject next door has a different standard. This is why people in college will take one teacher over another because of their standards they might use.

People are asking for the test in many cases (not all of course) are asking legitimately for what will help them without cheating. But we have people that jump off the deep end because they simply asked and are unaware of what others do across the country. And if I did not know that before, I really know that as the NF test does nothing for me other than to use as a study tool. And even that will be limited. Almost all my state's test questions are not going to be asked in that format. I will have to know more about the rules and knowing what the specific length of a channel on a basketball is.

Peace

I didn't ask if you cared or if anyone else did. You made a statement about people never asking for your test score. To me that's irrelevant.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, wear the shoes you already have and let someone else try on the shoe.

I'm well aware of what others do across the country. And I'm also well aware of the fact that some people(not all, of course) will cheat to gain an advantage if the exam or answers are posted here before they are slated to write it.

Maybe you need to get your blinkers off and look outside the borders of Illinois, Jeff. Just because something isn't a problem in your area doesn't mean that it couldn't be a huge problem in another area. Just Another Ref gave you a prime example where an early copy of the test could be invaluable to someone who doesn't know the rules that well and also doesn't want to put in the time to learn them. His area isn't the only area.

How about we do this? If anyone comes here asking for an early copy of the exam or answers to be posted, I'll tell 'em to screw off and you PM them and send them a copy. That should keep both of us happy.

We've never actually seen you happy.:D

Again, let me apologize for my lack of awareness of how things are done in other states. I am sorry. Now I know.

FWIW, I was on a 48 hour shift and wanted to work on the test that I had left at home. I did finally get to work on the test this week. I choose not to participate in the "group meetings" where one could be a fly on the wall. I worked through the test myself as a way to study the rules. I looked up every questions then cross references the case book. I learn something new every year by doing this. It took me 8 hours. If anyone has the open format like we do, I would encourage them to work through the test and look up EVERYTHING, even if you think you know it. It's a great way to refresh on the rules for the upcoming season.

I take the test myself as well. Our state allows "open book" association tests, which really means everyone shows up and they read the answers off and they mail the tests in. I do the Part 2 before the meeting and take my answer sheet to check my answers with the correct ones. I feel like I'm in the vast minority of people who do this, as most tend to not even look at the questions and simply color in the answer sheet and mail it off.

It's no wonder I get told "You read too much into rules", when actually it's because I know the rules and choose to enforce them as written instead of making up my own like some do.

Raise The White Flag ...
 

We used to work on the refresher exam as individuals in an open book format. The exam would then be submitted to our rating committee who would correct the exam, with each member getting rating points based on how many questions each member got right on the refresher exam. Our rating system (peer ratings, refresher exam, meeting attendance, availability) produces a ranking, and the number, level, and quality of your assigned games is based on this ranking, so it's a big deal.

The problem was that there were too many master answer sheets available from many sources, within our local board, from other boards in the state, and from other states. These master answer sheets somehow made their way into the hands of a large portion of our membership. If you "knew a guy" then you able to get your hands on these master answer sheets. If you weren't "connected" then you were on your own. Those with the master answer sheets always got full credit, and the full number of rating points for their answers. Those without access to these master answer sheets almost always got far fewer answers correct, and thus, a lower number of rating points.

How did our rating committee fix this? They gave up. Now we still work on the exam as individuals with an open book format. Then we bring our test and answers to one of several officially sanctioned "study groups". Your "ticket" into one of these "study groups" is a completed exam, with no regard for the number of correct, or incorrect, answers. The group leader, usually a veteran official, has the master answer sheet. At these sessions we take turns reading the questions, giving our answers, discussing our answers, and correcting our incorrect answers. Attendance is taken at these "study groups".

If you attend one of these officially sanctioned "study groups", then you get full credit for the refresher exam portion of your rating for the season. If you don't attend, you get no credit. If you have an emergency (family, work, illness, etc) and can't attend, then you have the option of handing in an exam that will be corrected and counted the "old fashioned" way, but at this point almost everybody on our local board has the correct answers so it's all academic at this point.

do u have the 2010 nfhs basketball text answers i just want them for studying purpose's only email me at [email protected]

Studying purposes....:rolleyes:

If you really want to study, open the damn rule books up and look up the damn answers. That's how you learn, not getting someone to supply you with answers.

Lah me.....

a, b, c, d, e, F, and T.

Hey, wait a minute. You got those last two backwards - it should be T and then F.

Check out 11.12.13 Sit. A , C, and D. And the Exception.

You're reading too much into it. Look at 11.1.87 Sit. Z. It's the exact same play. The exception doesn't apply here; I think because bob said so.

Always listen to Bob. I think Nevada has the same NFHS interpretation from 1983 in his archives as well. Case play is 12.15.22.ID.10.T

No, no, no...

Your 11.1.87 has the ball bouncing off of the rafter first, then hitting the Cheerleader in the head.

The question clearly states that the ball hits the Clock Operator first, and THEN hits the Cheerleader. Which clearly results in a Technical foul on the Visiting Coach, and an automatic ejection of the Home Team post player.

You have to go with the Exception to 11.12.13...even Bob would agree with that.

Crap. I missed that part. I should have known better than to question your interp.
Now I'll wait for M&M to come along and remind me I was right all along.

I can't stand that guy! :D

Yeah, he's such an elitist schmuck.

Fixed it for ya....

Today's Yahoo Word Of The Day Is Auspicious ...
 

Was this word on everyone's "Word of the Day" calendar this past week?

Billy, you know darn well the blame sits with the timerguy.:confused::confused:

Alright, how the he!! do I get caught up in these things?!?

And, for the record, I'm not elitist, it's just that all you guys are beneath me. ;) :D

(Well, at least I know rocky is. He's below most of us, from what I understand...)

It's Snaqs fault...he brought you into this whole thing.

And I'm still taller than Bhuck Elics!!:mad:

You're being to tough on yourself.Besides no one has ever survived more than an hour!:D

Slightly off topic, I never did see that box score. Has it been posted here?

Someone copied and pasted it when it first came out...as I recall there was a pretty lengthy thread busting on the poor guy!:D

I would have thought that it would have been prominently displayed on said poor guy's facebook page, but it was not.:(

Thanks. And now it is showing up on that facebook page. I must not have seen it earlier.:D

Some of you know that my dad died last year. He was not a real sports fan, but was mildly interesting in my "reffing thing". One of the few officiating experiences that we shared was right after that game. I told him about the mis-spelling of my name and he did a Google search on it. He found the "lengthy thread" that DJ referenced. He laughed very hard for a very long time as he told me how funny "those guys" are.

Cool story.

Peace

My Condolences ...
 

Great story. My Dad lost his struggle with leukemia twelve years ago and not a single day goes by that I don't think about him, or talk about him. Thanks for sharing this story with us. I hope that it was a positive experience for you. Someday, in the off season, I'll share some very, very, very, off topic stories with you guys about my Dad. Like how he built a concrete flower box in our basement one winter, that was too heavy for us to get out of the basement in the spring. Or how he traded in his rifle for a typewriter after the Battle of Rome, lived in a hotel in Rome, had an audience with Pope Pius XII, and had the use of his captain's staff car, during World War II. Or how he ... Never mind. I'll wait until the offseason.